Has Anyone in the US Received Their Rulebook?

Darzoni said:
Finknottle said:
Well, I stopped off on my way home from work to pick up the rulebook at my FLGS, and wanted to relay a message from them. To say they were not happy with game stores being last on the list to receive rulebooks and miniatures would be putting it mildly. With interested customers being able to buy the rulebook and miniatures online before stores received them really ticked them off...

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Being a local gamestore owner, I second this sentiment. I already have plenty of issues with impatient/upset customers going to the internet to get what they want; places without the same kind of overhead as a brick and mortar store getting that kind of advantage is... >:C
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Unless I missed a shop, the only 'Online' stores that had stock before anyone else were Mongoose UK and FRP. I'm fairly sure that Mongoose UK has as much, or greater overhead then a LGS... and FRP Games IS Warpath Games, a gaming distributor. The most prominent US based online store (Which is also a Brick and Mortar store), The War Store, just started shipping out miniatures this week.. after they received stock from E-Figures.
 
Got my book book and two Sqd boxes Friday. The rules are pretty straight forward and with the Errata & FAQ I don't think I have any real issues. I have the Klingon and Target (Fed) Sqd boxes and one of the owners of the FLGS has the Romulans. Today I plan on ginting up some ship cards for everyone (real bummer the official ones aren't out) as the only mini's games currently played are ones like Warmachine that use cards.

After a bit of discussion, we plan on a number of demo games followed by a Entry Level league. Basically a multi week campaign with the starting points reduced to just below the value of the Sqd boxes. Designed so that the player can buy a Sqd box and enter the league. By making the initial point value less than the total of a box set the players will have room to expand during league play.

I am still hoping to hear plan for supported organized play. FLGS's and local groups can make up stuff and create their own prize packages, but what really has allowed games like Warmachine and that other one to dominate the mini's arena has been their 'official' league packages and the ability for the FLGS to purchase limited 'prize packages' for the winners.

Basically, like the tourney package the official league package would lay out specific guidance (point values, league victory points, etc), the selection of scenarios available for each week (usually each weeks set starts the players with their ships fresh), and then what the prize package is. The winners get official bragging rights and something cool, like say a Command Cruiser :wink: The prize packages are purchased by the FLGS and covered by the buy in.

I recently participated in a starter league that not only awarded points for play but also newly painted figures, the possibilities are endless.

Several of us are really jazzed about an actual mini's games that don't involve little guys with Mohawks and can see this as the break out point for other ship based games and then into historical games which suffer from the belief they are too boring to play. The FLGS wants to push this and plans local campaign/tournaments/league play. But players these days are pretty finicky and don't usually take up games unless there is 'official' league play.

And by official in this case it would be a league package with the official Mongoose stamp plus a prize package...hint hint hint :wink:
 
I stopped over to my Compleat Strategist, King of Prussia Pennsylvania, on Saturday (January 21) to ask if and possibly when they may be getting any copies in. Up to that point I had not seen any notice on this site saying if it had shipped though but I noticed it was now available on amazon. The store manager held up the copy he was enthusiastcally reading! So, yeah, they have arrived.
 
Spence said:
And by official in this case it would be a league package with the official Mongoose stamp plus a prize package...hint hint hint :wink:
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Being worked on :) We'll get the first wave of releases out and then start a shop tourney system around summer.
 
msprange said:
Spence said:
And by official in this case it would be a league package with the official Mongoose stamp plus a prize package...hint hint hint :wink:
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Being worked on :) We'll get the first wave of releases out and then start a shop tourney system around summer.
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That is great news to hear. I am going to pass it one to the guys at the FLGS.
 
Well, I'm not in the US, but I did get my Rulebook delivered today to Victoria, B.C. Canada. Yahoo! Now it's not just learning the rules by forum osmosis. ;-)
 
Red-24 said:
Well, I'm not in the US, but I did get my Rulebook delivered today to Victoria, B.C. Canada. Yahoo! Now it's not just learning the rules by forum osmosis. ;-)
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Victoria's just a ferry away :mrgreen:
 
msprange said:
Sorry, no - the rulebook is fully available right now. The Fleet Sets will be in stores mid-February.
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Well, another week has gone by, still no book.

I talked to my FLGS owner and he says he talked with you via email. He said he specifically asked if it was just the fleet boxes pushed back to February or the Rule book as well, and according to him, you said that the rulebook was pushed back as well. He also said that he talked with his distributor, Warpath, and they claim they haven't received any copies of the rulebook yet.

I've known this guy for over 10 years, since we were in high school, well before he owned the business, his brother is my best friend. I know he wouldn't bullshit me.

What is going on Matthew/Mongoose? I keep getting conflicting info. I have tried to be incredibly patient, especially as I am a big fan of B5:ACTA and Mongoose's Traveller, but of patience I have just about run out. And please, do not tell me the official release or whatever of Star Fleet isn't until February when you've been mailing out books to customers since Christmas. If people are getting books then the book is out. I pre-ordered the book in November, it should NOT matter whether I did so directly or via a game store. Right now I am really starting to feel like I'm being treated like a second class customer because Mongoose doesn't get as big a cut from my $30.

There area other games I could be spending my limited gaming money on.
 
GalagaGalaxian said:
msprange said:
Sorry, no - the rulebook is fully available right now. The Fleet Sets will be in stores mid-February.
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Well, another week has gone by, still no book.

I talked to my FLGS owner and he says he talked with you via email. He said he specifically asked if it was just the fleet boxes pushed back to February or the Rule book as well, and according to him, you said that the rulebook was pushed back as well. He also said that he talked with his distributor, Warpath, and they claim they haven't received any copies of the rulebook yet.

I've known this guy for over 10 years, since we were in high school, well before he owned the business, his brother is my best friend. I know he wouldn't bullshit me.

What is going on Matthew/Mongoose? I keep getting conflicting info. I have tried to be incredibly patient, especially as I am a big fan of B5:ACTA and Mongoose's Traveller, but of patience I have just about run out. And please, do not tell me the official release or whatever of Star Fleet isn't until February when you've been mailing out books to customers since Christmas. If people are getting books then the book is out. I pre-ordered the book in November, it should NOT matter whether I did so directly or via a game store. Right now I am really starting to feel like I'm being treated like a second class customer because Mongoose doesn't get as big a cut from my $30.

There area other games I could be spending my limited gaming money on.
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Hmmm...could be the distributor. I look at distributer product availability all the time. Never heard of Warpath until this forum (gaming since 1970’s), but the west coast distributors that I know of (Alliance, ACDD and E-Fig) seem to have stock. My copy and two Sqd boxes were only delayed by the weather we had and it was shipped via ACDD. ACDD even sent the FLGS a notice that they had shipped.

I always order though my FLGS when possible to support them and have a place to get with people and promote gaming. But I also realize that it means I will always have a delay in receiving product. I also realize that if I order through a distributor then the manufacturer has no control of when I will actually see it at the store. My FLGS has almost ceased using Alliance because they constantly swore up and down items had not been released by a manufacturer for weeks and months after the FLGS had already received product via ACDD.

Does your FLGS use only the one distributer? It took a while to convince mine to try a different one, but they are more than happy with actual customer service and prompt shipments. Another issue is whether the distributer used by your FLGS actually preorders, or do they wait until the see a demand. Alliance seemed to only make pre-orders for the handful of big lines. D&D, Warhammer, etc. They would claim it was unavailable for anything else. ACDD actually lists and allows pre-orders early enough so they can actually submit orders prior to release. This way they actually get some stock from the initial release.

In a nutshell, if you preordered the book directly from Mongoose and still don’t have it, then by all means make Mongoose aware of it. But if you ordered via a FLGS then the actual place you need to contact is either them or the distributor. I’ve been on the phone speaking directly to the Alliance sale rep listening to him say the book X wasn’t in print yet as I watched the shop keeper unbox copies received that day from ACDD.

Yes you know the guy and he wouldn’t bullshit you. But does he know his distributors sales rep with the same level of certainty?
 
Aye, you are correct about the distributor (they also use alliance, and we've had similarly unsatisfactory results from them IMO). However, that doesn't change what Matthew apparently told him via email.

I realize I'm getting a bit overly angry, but damnit its because of how excited I was for this game. I loved B5:ACTA and I was a longtime fan of the Star Fleet Universe (the rules were just too much for me though) so CTA:SF's announcement had me as happy as a puppy. Any other game and I probably would have just got a refund in late December. I even had several other people interested in the game (which I thought I was merely going to get to read, not actually play), but after the last month or so they're not exactly thrilled, enthusiastic, or very interested in the game anymore.

And yes, I understand there will often be a delay in ordering from a FLGS, but it should only be a short one, not more than month.
 
GalagaGalaxian said:
I talked to my FLGS owner and he says he talked with you via email. He said he specifically asked if it was just the fleet boxes pushed back to February or the Rule book as well, and according to him, you said that the rulebook was pushed back as well. He also said that he talked with his distributor, Warpath, and they claim they haven't received any copies of the rulebook yet.
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Warpath is lying to your LGS it seems, as their webstore as 'Good Stock': Link
 
I appreciate the sentiment, billico, but cancelling my order with my FLGS because they aren't being provided the game and buying the same product elsewhere feels like punishing the wrong party.
 
Stopped by my friendly local game store this afternoon to pick up some dice.
He had two ACTA: Sf rulebooks on the shelf, so if anyone in middle TN is looking for a rulebook; I know where you can find them.
 
GalagaGalaxian said:
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What is going on Matthew/Mongoose? I keep getting conflicting info. I have tried to be incredibly patient, especially as I am a big fan of B5:ACTA and Mongoose's Traveller, but of patience I have just about run out. And please, do not tell me the official release or whatever of Star Fleet isn't until February when you've been mailing out books to customers since Christmas. If people are getting books then the book is out. I pre-ordered the book in November, it should NOT matter whether I did so directly or via a game store. Right now I am really starting to feel like I'm being treated like a second class customer because Mongoose doesn't get as big a cut from my $30.
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That is not the reason.

We are offering the rulebook to all distributors - but some may prefer to wait until the miniatures can be bought alongside the book.

I can say that both Alliance and ACD have taken the book alone, though whether they can keep them in stock is another question...
 
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