Futuristic Sci-Fi Traveller
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CosmicGamer
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Brain transplants into organic or mechanical bodies. Cloning. Using technology to transplant, or copy, an intelligence is not AI to me. In this case, I see it as an "I" bound to the ship and not an "AI".Tom Kalbfus said:
Or bound to androids -
Andromeda had both the intelligent ship and the ship's avatar.
In this setting by TL, there would be all three, of AI, robots and androids or even replicants. How and why they would be used is an interesting subject; AI's have the same rights as other sentients.
Andromeda had both the intelligent ship and the ship's avatar.
In this setting by TL, there would be all three, of AI, robots and androids or even replicants. How and why they would be used is an interesting subject; AI's have the same rights as other sentients.
alex_greene
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Time Enough For Love had Lazarus Long create an organic clone imprinted with the personality of his ship's AI. Then had relations with it. Because Lazarus Long.
Which is funky legal territory, what is the difference between a organic clone and another human?
Gene hacks will be real, but mostly just voluntary for looks, esp simple ones for hair color, etc.. A world of super soldiers probably becomes it's own problem, as nature the great economizer makes humans as much aggressive as needs be but not too much to self destruct. Otherwise, it's all done with drones, like mining heavy G worlds. The legality and human rights issues probably puts limits on the exploitive production of synthetic beings.
Gene hacks will be real, but mostly just voluntary for looks, esp simple ones for hair color, etc.. A world of super soldiers probably becomes it's own problem, as nature the great economizer makes humans as much aggressive as needs be but not too much to self destruct. Otherwise, it's all done with drones, like mining heavy G worlds. The legality and human rights issues probably puts limits on the exploitive production of synthetic beings.
alex_greene
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ICE's SpaceMaster had a whole region of space belonging to trans ... those guys, called the Kashmere. Never knew why they wanted to call them after a brand of woollen sweaters, but there you go.dragoner said:
That supplement was gonzo weird. A planet with an environmental iron-eating nanotech virus, a moon-sized psionic AI Forbin Project controlling the Kashmere's entire empire from the largest moon of their homeworld, and a battle between the tr ... between them and organic Replicants, mostly taking place on this Blade Runneresque world ravaged by industrial pollution.
And one of the themes was When "More Human Than Human" becomes your motto, er, something.
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Anonymous
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dragoner said:
I can see that being a variable in this setting. At the core clones would be seen as no different o anyone else. At the mantle perhaps there would be issues?
hiro said:
Yes, the core is way more settled, and not just population wise, but legally. Just to think on the mantle, if it is 5000lys sphere, sounds a lot but j2 is 13.04lys a month figuring 2 jumps a month, and becomes available in the mid 21st century with one TL advance per generation. If one divides that into 13lys jumps into months and years, it's about 33 years. So that there is a certain density, where clusters get settled, but over all, 600 million stars, it is empty, and anything can happen. So the core has the high tech and all that, but adventure happens out in the mantle, is my thought.
alex_greene said:
Tyrell corp's motto.
I guess if it could be dreamed about the future it can happen, a 5000lys radius sphere is a huge amount of space. Eventually the Republic would move in and stop egregious violations I suppose, but in the meantime, it could get really weird.
Thinking on using already published alien books - a cluster gets colonized, some go for a wolfman type mod, maybe doing a bunch of clones and the RoE says to cool off doing that: Vargr. Why Vargr? Because there happens to be another colony of neo-pagans who are Aesirists (Sword Worlds), using the old Norse term for wolves, and both these groups get into it with some people trying to be Tolkien-ish Elves (Darrians). Just some alternate explanations for the material so it could still be used. Thinking on real space, the Spinward Marches could be compressed into a small area, if 3d.
1)Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Androids would make great surrogate mothers and then switch over to nanny mode, so you can continue your career and go on that vacation.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
You could use the same one to raise each generation. Possibly with an upgrade.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Unlike grandma, the nannybot can be upgraded, and the memory banks can be wiped clean of embarrassing anecdotes.
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Anonymous
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How would increased longevity affect reproduction?
Will medical technology enable safe and reliable birth control?
Would people have the choice of surrogate mothers or alternate means of child bearing?
What percentage would choose natural childbirth or surrogates?
How old will a woman still be able to conceive? Will longevity treatments postpone menopause?
These are setting specific questions, please don't make this about current day issues.
Will medical technology enable safe and reliable birth control?
Would people have the choice of surrogate mothers or alternate means of child bearing?
What percentage would choose natural childbirth or surrogates?
How old will a woman still be able to conceive? Will longevity treatments postpone menopause?
These are setting specific questions, please don't make this about current day issues.
hiro said:
It would follow the normal path of decreased fertility, all of this assumes the rejuvenation I wrote about in the longevity thread, so if you were 250 years old after four rejuv's, you could have multiple children and multiple generations, a family tree would be quite different.
Yes.
Depending, I think by a certain point, it would be normal to just use an artificial uterus and hormone shots near to delivery.
As above, as the TL of the society increased, the use of artificial means would increase. Even if someone wanted to go through natural childbirth, they would not be stopped, the hospital is just an ambulance ride away if something goes wrong. Some might go for prints or clones anyway, organizations might use prints and clones as contract workers as well.
I would say similar to the current cycle of aging, and then just start again after rejuve.
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Anonymous
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OK. Sorry to mingle threads but it's all kinda related...
My take on it would be longevity would be a product of gene treatment and other medical procedures that would slow aging not reset it at each treatment, that seems off to me as you'll have to regenerate cells that have aged rather than stop them aging in the first place.
Am I right in understanding what you're proposing, that the process of aging would not change, you would simply have the choice to reset your bodies age every X years?
My take on it would be longevity would be a product of gene treatment and other medical procedures that would slow aging not reset it at each treatment, that seems off to me as you'll have to regenerate cells that have aged rather than stop them aging in the first place.
Am I right in understanding what you're proposing, that the process of aging would not change, you would simply have the choice to reset your bodies age every X years?
alex_greene
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It wouldn't be urgent any more. Men could have biopsies taken of their testicle tissue and women could have ovaries removed, and then they could be cloned and the clones placed back where the originals were, while the originals' genomes were sequenced and the tissues frozen for later use.hiro said:
Even major surgery can be done overnight in a TL13+ autodoc, so safe testicular / ovarian removal would be a procedure as safe as getting one's nails done today.hiro said:
Every possibility under the sun, including using lifelike (or totally mechanical) robots to incubate foetuses.hiro said:
Possibly only a small number.hiro said:
See the first answer above. If the technology were reliable, she could conceive fresh new children at age 200 if she wanted to - either from her own tissues combined with a donor, or from literal parthenogenesis, cloning of her own stem cells - which she could have extracted at a really early age, their genomes sequenced and the tissues stored as with ovarian / male testicular tissues.hiro said:
Consider what could happen if, knowing that foetuses could be gestated inside artificial wombs being carried around within biomech androids, a man wanted to create a version of himself using genetic tissues from his testes ... and artificial ovaries generated by means of a biomedical procedure which resequenced his chromosomes so he would have two X chromosomes instead of XY?hiro said:
hiro said:
Basically you go to a rejuve center and get "regrown", somewhat like a force grown clone except it is internal, or the way stem cells can be grown into heart cells and they start beating in the petri dish (we are almost there now, pro-longing the lifespan of tissue is problematic in that the deterioration is often environmental); say 18 weeks, a week per year to grow a new you. You exit rejuve as an 18 year old, which also works for the chargen in that it could be reasoned that if someone was down on their luck, they could go to a service and sign up for 4 years to get it done. Maybe not, still thinking on that.
