for those using centauri counter fleets with an adira

[katadder]

but can be shot up in time for battel 4, where it has to face yet another warship. an octurion actually only has 2AD beam dice less although not precise, btu with 10" extra range and does have a rear beam. only 2AD less on front matter cannon, the rest are the same and 4Ad less on fron twin array, with 2AD less on other arcs.
true it doesnt get the GEG or as much damage, but we are talking one warship to an armageddon ship here, and firepower almost matches. 2 of them, well if one almost matches 2 far outgun it.

 

[Burger]

Yes hence why I said its personal preference. There is no "best". Adira will almost certainly win battle 3, but will be a disadvantage in battle 4.

 

[Da Boss]

you actually better off with 2 octurions(but still - an Adira, its huge and impressive so gotta use).

Well you would only get the one in battle three - probably against other Armg ships depending on what others bring - although that said, I am bringing my only Octurion so will be seeing what happens!

 

[lastbesthope]

Remember, Battle 3 and 4 are both wworth the same in Admiral points for winning the tournament, so it might be worth getting an advantage in Game 3 to secure a win and sacrifice Game 4.

LBH

 

[katadder]

or vice versa. plus some warships can take on armageddon ships. like i pointed out an octurion almost has the firepower of an Adira.

 

[Burger]

I doubt many War ships can take on an Adira.

An Octurion is nothwere near as good as an Adira:
- Main weapon has 33% more AD's
- Main weapon has Precise
- 20% more Matter Cannon and 25% more TPA dice
- 70% more damage
- 60% more crew
- GEG 3
- 6 Rutarians with Carrier 2
- Flight Computer

... come on... its way better.

 

[katadder]

I doubt many War ships can take on an Adira.

An Octurion is nothwere near as good as an Adira:
- Main weapon has 33% more AD's
- Main weapon has Precise
- 20% more Matter Cannon and 25% more TPA dice
- 70% more damage
- 60% more crew
- GEG 3
- 6 Rutarians with Carrier 2
- Flight Computer

... come on... its way better.

33% (2AD) more AD on main weapon, sure but at 10" less. in an assassination sceanrio or annihilation the Octurion would be shooting the Adira from 1st turn without taking fire back. and once it gets close the octurion can power past the adira firing its rear beam, slightly less TPA and same matter cannon.
20% more matter cannon? no just 2 more AD on the front, every other arc its the same.
TPA gets 4 more on the front 2 more down the sides and rear.
GEG3 versus interceptors. well when they both at matter cannon range i would prefer the interceptors to the GEG or when the octurion powers past the adira too. but otherwise ok GEG is better
6 rutarians versus what 4 raziks? well they will cancel each other out cos the raziks are better dogfighters.
the extra damage and flight comp obviously are better but overall firepower wise the Adira isnt that much better. and it also has to hope that the octurion doesnt get engine crits in that 1st round of shooting otherwise it will get another round before the adira gets into range.

and as i pointed out this is one warship. it will leave you a seriously damaged adira from game 3 even if the rest of its fleet doesnt beat the rest of your 5 raid fleet and help out. then theres another free octurion to face in game 4.

 

[Burger]

Since the Adira is generally regarded as one of the best Armageddon level ships, if not the best, and you're saying the Octurion is just as good... are you saying the Octurion should also be Armageddon level?

 

[katadder]

I am not saying its just as good, i am saying it could give it a good run. which makes you wonder about armageddon class ships.
the octurion could quite happily take on neroon, nemesis, shadow omega, warlock.
this isnt saying the octurion should be bumped, its saying armageddon ships really are not worth it apart from the scare factor of plonking one down.
the bin'tak could probably take on the 4 listed.

what I am saying about an Adira is it doesnt have that many more weapons than an octurion.

armageddon ships are nice, but they are more a status symbol in campaigns (I nearly brought a 2nd victory for my ampaign fleet last night) than a worthwhile ship when 2 warships are so much better its unreal.

 

[Da Boss]

I am not saying its just as good, i am saying it could give it a good run. which makes you wonder about armageddon class ships.
the octurion could quite happily take on neroon, nemesis, shadow omega, warlock.
this isnt saying the octurion should be bumped, its saying armageddon ships really are not worth it apart from the scare factor of plonking one down.
the bin'tak could probably take on the 4 listed.

what I am saying about an Adira is it doesnt have that many more weapons than an octurion.

armageddon ships are nice, but they are more a status symbol in campaigns (I nearly brought a 2nd victory for my ampaign fleet last night) than a worthwhile ship when 2 warships are so much better its unreal.

Victory's are very very nice - as good as the Aidra - both very powerful but vulnerable to crits (like all Young Race major capitial ships) - the VHC is also very powerful - partially cos it doesn't suffer crits. The Octurion (in its present incarnation) is a great ship but would have (and has had) major problems with ships noted above - the others you mention I have not tried for or against.