Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Even Elves have hierarchy.
Food synthesizing creates real post scarcity.
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Yatima
Cosmic Mongoose
Sophont waste can be broken down to provide the building blocks for food and nutrients... so a relief ship indeed
Sophonts can be broken down to provide the building blocks for food and nutrients...
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
I am not aware of any large-scale tests of Universal Basic Income. Do you have any sources?
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
Free food, housing and education has been giving in the USA for decades now. I know a person who gets $3k month of free groceries, a free place to live and everyone in the USA gets free education. Been available for decades. You didn't know this fact?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Perhaps I should have been more specific. "Large-scale, long-term, scientific tests."
Also, what you have described above is not universal basic income.
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
1: Ten of millions of people for decades. Examine the crime rate and life outcomes for that population (which has been done). 2: They get so much "food allowance" they parley it into the remaining income that DOES cover basic income. You can now go and examine the data the gov't has compiled. It isn't pretty.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
What data? What were the parameters? What was the methodology of those experiments? What was the control group? Who are the scientists involved in the studies? Have they been peer-reviewed and held up to rigorous scrutiny?
btw, Negative Income Tax and Universal Basic Income are not the same things. I can find no references to large-scale, long-term, US Federal Government UBI experiments. I can however find 5 Negative Income Tax experiments done between 1968 and 1982, but as I stated before, NIT and UBI are not the same thing.
Compiled data is useless if the data is not relevant to the experiment at hand, say NIT data, when looking for UBI data.
So, again, where is this data you are citing? I have been sitting here looking for it since you mentioned it.
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
It's all on gov web sites. Research it. I did about 10 years ago. I don't argue with facts and reality. Not worth the time
The devil, sir, is in the details. Your acquaintance may indeed get all of these things, but I daresay neither of us would voluntarily trade places with a person who qualified for all that "free stuff" based on what must be true to qualify. Frankly, rather than resent this person I merely think "there but for the grace of God go I."
And, of course, the free education was cited by both Jefferson and Adams as being necessary for a functioning democracy.
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
You must not have an income. Hence all the free stuff and free income. Nothing more to know. It should be Utopia but it's the opposite.
Wow, straight to the insults and you even had to edit my response to take it out of context. Nice!
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
I didn't insult anyone. I stated the requirement for free stuff.
So, you simply made an awkwardly phrased statement. Fair enough and I stand corrected.
And, since I have little desire to argue on a game website we'll leave it at that despite a LOT that could still be said.
I consider this discussion finished. Cheers.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
I did research it. Everything that I can find says that the US Government has never done any large-scale UBI experiments. Some States and Municipalities have done it in small-scale experiments, but nowhere can I find any information on Federal experiments. Can you link me the studies that you are referring to?
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
It's B.C. for me. Before coffee.
Alright, that's more than fair enough.It's B.C. for me. Before coffee.
On the other hand, I'm on number two so the phrase "One isn't enough and two's too many" probably applies to me today! I have enjoyed the discussion overall...
MarcusIII
Cosmic Mongoose
Me too, catch ya laterAlright, that's more than fair enough.
