FLGS in Riot-Hit UK Cities

barnest2 said:
DFW said:
No gun was found with him...
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Um.. yes there was. There was a live weapon capable of firing real ammunition. He may well have not fired it, but he had it.
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Yes, just read it. He had a gun on him and out of sight. So, obviously NOT the reason he was shot. Unless, police over there are psionic?
 
DFW said:
Yes, just read it. He had a gun on him and out of sight. So, obviously NOT the reason he was shot. Unless, police over there are psionic?
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They are you know...

Now, I think what happened is that a policeman got hit (by a policemans gun) and reported it, which led to Duggan getting shot in response...
Until the official report is out we wont know...
 
barnest2 said:
Now, I think what happened is that a policeman got hit (by a policemans gun) and reported it, which led to Duggan getting shot in response...
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That sequence makes no sense at all.
 
Unfortunately sometimes it only takes a wrong move and a little misun-
derstanding to get shot by an understandably nervous police officer, we
have had quite a number of similar cases over the years.
 
DFW said:
barnest2 said:
Now, I think what happened is that a policeman got hit (by a policemans gun) and reported it, which led to Duggan getting shot in response...
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That sequence makes no sense at all.
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I dont really want to think our coppers shot him without good reason. It's the best reason I can think of (since a policeman had a bullet in his radio) that doesn't include them shooting him without good reason. Anyway, as I say, I'm waiting for the official report.
 
I went to school in the North East part of Northern Ireland in most of the 80's. Not the happiest time in my life :o

All sorts of people (Police, Army, Protestant/Loyalists, Catholics/Republicans) had guns. Lots of people died - to quote Wikipedia "The period from 1970 through 1972 saw an explosion of political violence in Northern Ireland, peaking in 1972, when nearly 500 people, just over half of them civilians, lost their lives. The year 1972 saw the greatest loss of life throughout the entire conflict." For overall info, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_troubles

More recently (in the UK) there has been the occasional rogue gunman - e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauol_Moat

This might explain the UK's attitude to gun ownership.
 
Gun ownership has been harsh here for a while... you can still get rifles with a license, but I think pistols are illegal. Mostly because of a Dunblane and such...

Anyone threatening someone with a gun will normally be shot, unsuprisingly...
 
DFW said:
What does that have to do with being shot while NOT holding a gun?
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I was talking about gun law in general in this country.
I'm still going to be waiting for the report rather than relying on half-assed statements and histronics from the press before i decide whether the police made a mistake.
 
Believe me so would I.
I'm still a member of a rifle club, and I'll be going again when I get the chance. Even if I don't own one, I can still keep my eye in...
 
I've been reading about this and, My heart goes out to all business and civilians who are being victimized by the riots.

I'm not up on what happened (and reading the posts I don't think the press over there is either - yeay the rush to get *something* out first even if it's wrong/uncorroborated).

But, from what I'm reading about some rioters pushing to get others to join in spreading the numbers of those involved, spreading out the entire area affected. And to do this they are supposedly using Blackberrys to text, twitter and any other way to get out insightful messages so others join in.

To Me that is just wrong. This was a "small fire" started in protest of something - ok I won't argue the rightness or wrongness of that. but when you are trying to take it from one part of one city to all over the region or country, now that's just hooliganism. You push hard enough and long enough with hate filled rhetoric and you'll drag more and more people in, but at the same time your rhetoric will be drifting from the message to just plain ugly hate - you own hate period.

Just my opinion of course, I just keep praying for the innocents that are being harmed to protest something they had nothing to do with.
 
Just to clarify the post heading, thus far the riots have only been in England, not the UK as a whole. The BBC have been chastised by the Scottish First Minister for not making the distinction in their reporting.

LBH
 
Also, as far as the Bristol situation, I have heard from the guys at Excelsior! last night, they were OK and not expecting too much trouble. Have heard nothing about FP or Area 51.

LBH
 
Rick said:
Apparently, both China and Iran have offered sympathy for those caught up in the riots and requested an inquiry into human rights abuses by UK Police on the rioters. Now that's government-level sarcasm!! :shock:
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High-level Sarcasm, or diplomatic irony I'd say...
 
DFW said:
Liam Devlin said:
I was deployed there from Ft Ord, CA with the 7th ID. Nobody ever ran over our checkpoint twice...
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I lived in Santa Cruz. Too bad Ft. Ord closed. Had friends stationed there in the late 70's.
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Small world. I had friends in Santa Cruz., and was stationed at the Planet Ord from march 1990 to June 1993 when they closed it down & PCS'd to Ft Campbell KY.
 
alex_greene said:
barnest2 said:
I don't really want to think our coppers shot him without good reason.
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It would not surprise me in the least. Jean Charles de Menezes' family would agree.
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They're saying that he had a firearm - if that's true, then refusing to drop it would be cause enough to shoot, let alone threatening with it... as our US friends can probably confirm...

Once thing I learned in the cadets - do NOT screw around with armed police - your replies are restricted to "yes sir" or "no sir" and you do as they say.
 
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