Feat Chains??

[Supplement Four]

Is there a list of Feat Chains anywhere for the game?

Choosing feats is a daunting but important task for a player new to the game. A character gets so few feats that they're a commodity.

What I'd like to do is present a list to my players so that they can pre-plan what feats they'd like to get as their characters progress. "If you start here, it acts as a prerequisite for this feat, then you can choose this one for your third feat when you get to level 4..." That type of thing.

I'll probably end up sketching out the Feat Chains myself, but why do that work if it's already been done?

So...I thought I'd ask.

 

[Spectator]

Hot Damn I knew it existed:
http://enworld.org/Inzeladun/conan/gameresources/ConanLists2_0.pdf

This is from the pre-2nd Edition stuff.
Found it in this thread:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5878&highlight=feat+list

Courtesy of an old poster here named Firestryke.

Yippee.

Damn 16 pages, this guy really created a hell of a good work!

 

[Supplement Four]

That's awesome, brother! Thanks, man!

 

[Spectator]

Yeah I got a kick out of reading a lot of old posts back from late 03 when thiss forum came on line.
Great stuff!!!
What a shame it seems like only a dozen or so of us still read/ contribute.

Yeah the love and committment to this RPG was in the level of the Nutty CoC types!
I hope this game gets back on its feet.

 

[Supplement Four]

What a shame it seems like only a dozen or so of us still read/ contribute.

You and I will keep it alive, bro. I don't expect my Cimmerian Blood campaign to end anytime soon. The players are really getting "into" it, even more than my last campaign (which was an AD&D 2E DragonLance Campaign).

Originally, we were only going to play Conan until the other two players could return to Dragonlance with us.

I think the tide is turning on that. Looks like the players are digging Conan more, and when the other two players return, I think their only choice will be to join our Conan game.

That's what it looks like today, anway.

I hope this game gets back on its feet.

With the film coming out next year, there's a chance. If the film is any good, there will be people looking to play during the Hyborian Age.

 

[tneva82]

With the film coming out next year, there's a chance. If the film is any good, there will be people looking to play during the Hyborian Age.

Problem will be getting them to play OOP game in the likely event Mongoose can't afford to renew the license.

 

[Supplement Four]

Problem will be getting them to play OOP game in the likely event Mongoose can't afford to renew the license.

I don't quite understand the "OOP" issue. I play a lot of games that have been out of print for years...decades, even.

Traveller, the first version (called Classic Traveller) is still one of my favorite rpgs. I love D6 Star Wars, too. And, Top Secret/SI. And, the James Bond RPG. For all of those games, I own everything ever published for them.

Then there's FASA's Star Trek game--still my favorite.

And, now, I'm playing Mongoose's Conan game. Heck, I'd almost rather be playing a "dead" game because I have all of the supplements to choose from. I'm not waiting a year or three for Free Companies to come out. I've got it.

I think playing an OOP game is actually better than playing a game that's still in print.

And, I'm not alone. Look at the Dragonsfoot forum. Tons of people are still playing 1st and 2nd edition AD&D.

Bookoo people are turning away from 4E back to 3.5E D&D games, especially with stuff like Pathfinder out there.

So...why do people want to play a game that still in print? What's the draw? Why is having less access to supplements and upgraded rules and editions better than having access to all of it?

 

[tneva82]

I don't quite understand the "OOP" issue. I play a lot of games that have been out of print for years...decades, even.

New players are less interested in starting up game where they need to search 2nd handed stores to find rulebooks. So when they have choise of OOP Mongoose Conan and new RPG from whoever will end up license odds are most newbies will choose new Conan.

So...why do people want to play a game that still in print? What's the draw?

Ability to get them easily from nearest store rather than having to look out for them 2nd handed? Often at inflated prices...I have been trying to get hands on few RPG rulebooks which I just can't afford as they go for 3-4 times equilavent size new books...AT MINIMUM!

Kinda puts off game when you need to be filthy rich just to buy basic rulebook let alone supplements...

Now don't get me wrong I like old games but when I look around it's newer games that are played, not older. World of darkness? Don't see all that many old-WOD'ers playing. People have moved a lot to the new one. Star wars? Saga edition. D6 edition not used all that much.

About only game where that hasn't been as notable is D&D where 3.5 has steady support. Though even there movement has been toward pathfinder rather than staying with original 3.5...

 

[Clovenhoof]

That, and some gamers (not me, though) are only happy when they can buy new splats and sourcebooks every other month. Damned if I know why.

However, there is also the question of continued support. For instance, there used to be a Lord of the Rings RPG licensed by iirc decipher and Pegasus. The books were pretty but full of errors and unclarities. Errata and clarifications were offered via their website.
Then the game flopped, the publishers returned the license, and all website and forum support was removed. Tough luck.

 

[Supplement Four]

New players are less interested in starting up game where they need to search 2nd handed stores to find rulebooks. So when they have choise of OOP Mongoose Conan and new RPG from whoever will end up license odds are most newbies will choose new Conan.

There may not be a Conan RPG when the film comes out besides Mongoose (and the earlier AD&D and GURPS versions). You'd think we'd have heard of a company writing the main rule book.

And, when the film come out, even if there is a new Conan RPG, it will be thin on support. They'll have the main rulebook, and if lucky, maybe two more books out.

Mongoose's Conan RPG, while being an excellent game, is still in the distribution channels. You can buy the entire game line, brand new, the way I just did, for a lot less than if you have been collecting the game over the last decade.

There's a lot of perks to playing an OOP game.

And...there's always a possibility that Mongoose will work out their differences with CPI and get a renewed license.

I have been trying to get hands on few RPG rulebooks which I just can't afford as they go for 3-4 times equilavent size new books...AT MINIMUM!

For the Conan RPG? Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll point you in the direction of where I found it for less than cover price.

 

[Supplement Four]

However, there is also the question of continued support.

LOL. And, I remember a time when there was no "internet" and "support" meant you sent in a self-address stamped envelope, snail mail, hoping that you'd get a response within six months, if ever.

Is "support" in the form of a forum really that important to gamers these days?

If this forum went away, I might try to search another for another forum to share my Conan fanatacism with, but if I was unable to find one, or found one like the Conan.com forum that is rarely used, it wouldn't have any impact on my campaign. I'd keep on playing.

 

[Spectator]

I tend to agree with S4, if this Forum went away the dozen or so remaing contributors would just get another free forum up and running elsewhere.
As for Support, I about cracked up when I read the snail mail comment.

I'm 37 and I remember the letters people would write into "White Dwarf" or Dungeon Magazine back in the 80s.

Funny, HaHa.

 

[tneva82]

Mongoose's Conan RPG, while being an excellent game, is still in the distribution channels.

For how long? How long do their license exist? Once it's run out then no more of them. See what happened to B5 RPG they had. License ran out, now you need luck to get them without 2nd hand.

And...there's always a possibility that Mongoose will work out their differences with CPI and get a renewed license.

Unlikely Mongoose will be willing to pay the $$$'s required for renewal.

For the Conan RPG? Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll point you in the direction of where I found it for less than cover price.

Conan isn't OOP YET. You can still get them new from the store because funny that, their license hasn't expired yet!

I was talking about OOP books which you can't GET from stores. Ie the kind of book Mongoose Conan will end up being very soon. It hasn't reached yet so if I want new book I can buy it from the store. That won't stay forever and then it's hard time recruiting new players who want rule system that is supported and is in stores. Not some long-dead rulesystem you need to search from 2nd handed stores to play.

 

[tneva82]

However, there is also the question of continued support.

LOL. And, I remember a time when there was no "internet" and "support" meant you sent in a self-address stamped envelope, snail mail, hoping that you'd get a response within six months, if ever.

So because things worked justabout like that before because there was no alternative you think players will accept that these days?

Players do like support as a) it allows to clear unclear points b) allows fixing of mistakes without brand new book c) new material available easily.

And it's not just forums but whole package.

 

[Supplement Four]

Players do like support as a) it allows to clear unclear points b) allows fixing of mistakes without brand new book c) new material available easily.

And it's not just forums but whole package.

Maybe they do. I don't know. I never disagreed. I just said that I didn't understand it.

No forum or a "dead" game wouldn't stop me from playing what I wanted to.



I think, before, games were sold through your FLGS. Gamers would come into the store, see something new, and get excited about it.

The industry is changing rapidly. Game stores are dying. They can't compete with the selection and prices on the net. And, the number of pdf-only supplements and core rules is on the rise.

Most gamers I know buy their stuff on the net. The closest game store I have to me is 20 minutes away, close to downtown, right next to a highly trafficked freeway. While their selection is decent, they are oh so proud of their games--all of them at cover price, even if they're 20 years old with a stack of dust on them. I've wondered, if I had placed a mark on one of the boxes back when I was in high school if the mark would still be there today on some of that stuff.

What I'm trying to say, though, is that the effect of seeing the "new" thing at the game store is dying with the game stores. People are getting turned on by the new and the old online. I don't know, but I'd be that sales of older, OOP games are on the rise. There's stores that deal in nothing but that type of merchandise.

Maybe it's being led by the mass of D&Ders who are turning away from 4E, back to 3E (and even farther, to 2E and 1E), and maybe it's just the fact that the gamers who got addicted when the hobby was new are now getting quite old--if they're still gaming, they may be playing with something they liked in the past--but playing an older, out of print game, is kind of "in" these days.