Fast, maneuverable, glowing weather balloon videoed over DC
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Read this book.
There's little doubt in my mind that UFOs are for real, and that the US government is covering up this fact (other governments are a little more open). I'm not subscribing to the whole "the CIA captured space aliens at Roswell" thing - it's maybe just that the US govt agencies really don't know what these things are and don't want to be shown to be incompetent and unable to defend the populace.
Did you know what a UFO hovered over the terminal building at O'Hare airport - and was witnessed by pilots and ground staff - and yet the FAA simply brushed it off as a 'weather phenomena' ? This was a solid object in controlled airspace and clearly a danger to air travel, and the authority responsible for protecting YOU simply chose to ignore it ?![/url]
There's little doubt in my mind that UFOs are for real, and that the US government is covering up this fact (other governments are a little more open). I'm not subscribing to the whole "the CIA captured space aliens at Roswell" thing - it's maybe just that the US govt agencies really don't know what these things are and don't want to be shown to be incompetent and unable to defend the populace.
Did you know what a UFO hovered over the terminal building at O'Hare airport - and was witnessed by pilots and ground staff - and yet the FAA simply brushed it off as a 'weather phenomena' ? This was a solid object in controlled airspace and clearly a danger to air travel, and the authority responsible for protecting YOU simply chose to ignore it ?![/url]
alex_greene
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*cough splorfle*Gee4orce said:
Dark Lord Skippy
Mongoose
Gee4orce said:
Assuming I believe this (....and I dont), exactly what were they going to do?
Again, assuming the Traveller universe is true (and, much as I love the game, I dont), wouldnt they simply use the point defense lasers and sandcasters and down the F-22s that attack it? Or assuming any number of other SF universes, wouldnt these aliens just let the missiles impact the shields and suppress a giggle?
And that assumes that we as humans, in our imaginations, have actually come up with what an alien species with far higher technology would do, how they would react, and what weapons and defenses they might have.
Or (to play along with the conspiracy theory) maybe the government knows these guys well enough to know they are no big deal.... or knows that they are such a big deal that if took military action it would result in the end of the Earth. Maybe, just maybe, they are protecting you by not swatting at the one bee so the whole nest doesnt descend on you.
Perhaps those guys over O'Hare were just teenagers on a joy ride to play with the rube aliens.... and attacking them with weapons would just cause the parents and their government to show up with Earth shattering Illudium Q-36 space modulators.
Just sayin'.
far-trader
Mongoose
DFW said:
Granted they'd fail (presuming it were real, and I don't) if it came to an armed confrontation, but do you truly believe that would stop them from the attempt? I can't imagine that, least of all in this glorius age of the terror threat rainbow. IF there was anything there of the slightest hinky nature they'd be scrambling jet fighters to intercept and it'd be all over the news.
So, no response from the military means one of two things:
A - There was nothing real there to get excited about. People make mistaken observations all the time and immediately any UFO (key word "UN-identified") is automatically some evil highly advanced extraterrestrial craft hell bent on mutilating cows and abducting rural folk for brief unremembered unspeakable acts. Or...
B - Aliens are real, the government is (choose 1: in cahoots; controlled by; replaced with) them and they deny, deny, deny. It's a big cover-up where everything is weather balloons, mass delusion, clouds, ball lightning, top secret aircraft, etc. etc.
I know which one I believe. Some will accuse me of not having a proper tinfoil hat because of that but at least I'm not getting anymore visits by Men In Black
...still, it's fun to imagine and I try to keep an open mind, just not an easily swayed one. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. I've not seen any yet that come close to credible, after decades of "wanting to believe".
Assuming that there are aliens visiting us (without committing myself to a firm belief either way ) it seems to me there are three possibilities:
1. They come in peace. In that case, attacking them would be a war crime.
2. They come for war. In that case, given that they have sufficiently superior technology to get here plus a warlike mindset, our weapons will be about as much use as a peashooter against a battleship.
3. They come in peace but shoot to kill. More seriously, they have peaceful intentions but will respond with lethal force if provoked.
If it was case 2, we'd probably know about it by now. So if there are aliens, either they're no threat at all or they're only a threat if we make them into one. Either way, shooting first is a bad idea.
) it seems to me there are three possibilities:1. They come in peace. In that case, attacking them would be a war crime.
2. They come for war. In that case, given that they have sufficiently superior technology to get here plus a warlike mindset, our weapons will be about as much use as a peashooter against a battleship.
3. They come in peace but shoot to kill.
More seriously, they have peaceful intentions but will respond with lethal force if provoked.If it was case 2, we'd probably know about it by now. So if there are aliens, either they're no threat at all or they're only a threat if we make them into one. Either way, shooting first is a bad idea.
Well, the first thing I would expect them to do is shut the airport. Lets just imagine that the object wasn't a UFO, but a helicopter. Hovering over the terminal building of a commercial airport with no flight clearance, no radio communication, and no idea as to it's intent. I think it would be a fairly serious security incident. Yet, because the object was a 'UFO' (observed by multiple trained observers on the ground, far more qualified than you or I to identify aircraft) the FAA just put it's hand over it's ears and says "naa naa naa I can't hear you!"
There are multiple accounts of near misses with UFOs at airports, or even at cruising altitude. Fortunately these things seem capable of avoiding collisions, but passengers and crew HAVE been injured due to emergency manoeuvring by pilots attempting to avoid a crash. This surely constitutes a danger to air safety
Please, I really encourage everybody to read the book I linked to. It's the first (only ?) really credible account of the phenomena written by a mainstream journalist. I read about several things that I thought had been thoroughly debunked (Rendelsham forest, the Phoenix lights), only to find out the actual accounts from first hand witnesses really can't be explained away. There's a lot of BS attached to this subject, and the authorities have a vested interest in keeping it that way, but cut through that and get to the (very few, admittedly) really inexplicable reports, and there's something going on.
We need to treat this scientifically, and look at the evidence. There's something going on, for real, and we should at least attempt to study it.
Possibly the only correct response to an encounter with a UFO is 'ignore it, they are harmless' - but at the moment that's NOT the advice given to pilots. The advice is - well - no advice, because the FAA refuses to acknowledge even the existence of the phenomena. I just can't understand how that can be an acceptable position to hold, especially post-9/11. I definitely don't think we have a hope of fighting one of these things, and we should be careful not to trigger a hostile response from one.
There are multiple accounts of near misses with UFOs at airports, or even at cruising altitude. Fortunately these things seem capable of avoiding collisions, but passengers and crew HAVE been injured due to emergency manoeuvring by pilots attempting to avoid a crash. This surely constitutes a danger to air safety
Please, I really encourage everybody to read the book I linked to. It's the first (only ?) really credible account of the phenomena written by a mainstream journalist. I read about several things that I thought had been thoroughly debunked (Rendelsham forest, the Phoenix lights), only to find out the actual accounts from first hand witnesses really can't be explained away. There's a lot of BS attached to this subject, and the authorities have a vested interest in keeping it that way, but cut through that and get to the (very few, admittedly) really inexplicable reports, and there's something going on.
We need to treat this scientifically, and look at the evidence. There's something going on, for real, and we should at least attempt to study it.
Possibly the only correct response to an encounter with a UFO is 'ignore it, they are harmless' - but at the moment that's NOT the advice given to pilots. The advice is - well - no advice, because the FAA refuses to acknowledge even the existence of the phenomena. I just can't understand how that can be an acceptable position to hold, especially post-9/11. I definitely don't think we have a hope of fighting one of these things, and we should be careful not to trigger a hostile response from one.
As a point, just because the light appeared to the observers to be above the airport, doesn't mean it was. It may well have been quite distant, and thus not something the airport authorities would have been concerned with.
Clearly it is a UFO - it has yet to be identified, and appears to be a flying object. Jumping to the conclusion that it has to be an alien spaceship is, however, unjustified.
Clearly it is a UFO - it has yet to be identified, and appears to be a flying object. Jumping to the conclusion that it has to be an alien spaceship is, however, unjustified.
Dark Lord Skippy
Mongoose
DFW said:
Assuming, of course, that it is such a thing.
Colin
Mongoose
The more science-fictional aspect of this whole "the government is covering up alien visits" isn't the alien visit part, but that the American government can cover anything up.
As the writer of the Miracle of Science webcomic so aptly put it:
"Seriously, anybody who's been paying the slightest bit of attention at any time in the past fifty years should have realized by now that the United States Government couldn't cover up a cupcake with vanilla frosting"
As the writer of the Miracle of Science webcomic so aptly put it:
"Seriously, anybody who's been paying the slightest bit of attention at any time in the past fifty years should have realized by now that the United States Government couldn't cover up a cupcake with vanilla frosting"
rinku said:
Exactly !
You see, nobody IS claiming it was an 'alien spaceship' - at least, nobody rational. Unfortunately, the term 'UFO' has become so loaded that people automatically assume that you are referring to an alien flying saucer, which is totally counterproductive (and unscientific). The alternate term is becoming preferable because it doesn't carry any baggage: UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
FWIW the object was actually above the terminal building, as multiple witnesses saw it from different angles, and it eventually shot off vertically, leaving a circular hole in the cloud directly above the building (which, incidentally, seems to indicate it was giving off considerable heat in order to evaporate cloud).
Marchand said:
Again, someone falling in the trap of assuming that 'UFO' somehow means 'Identified Alien Spaceship' (which would be IAS).
Anyway, even if these things ARE alien spaceships, the very fact that they are alien means that we can't second guess their motivations. Who says they'd be interested in us anyway - that's so arrogantly anthropocentric. Perhaps we are about as much interest to them as ants are to a geologist studying rocks.
