EU vs US?
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emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Dr.Ravingburger said:
No the US-Mexico war will be over water.....
Or you could hypothesize that the EFTF goes to war with the US because the French got tired of Americans calling them cowards. 
The British and Germans might sit it out. The Brits wouldn't fight because they are friendly to both nations, while the Germans wouldn't want to attack America because we buy too many of their guns and cars.
The British and Germans might sit it out. The Brits wouldn't fight because they are friendly to both nations, while the Germans wouldn't want to attack America because we buy too many of their guns and cars. Well, if you believe their press. They're using older soviet equipment that's been modified. Otherwise there's not a whole lot of evidence that they're nothing more than bluster. They keep showing off their larger rockets, but truth be told it's likely that any air war over Iran will not be won by the Iranians.
And the only evidence for Iranian Anti-Air UAVs is from the weapons exhibits. It doesn't mean there's anything in their current inventory right now...
And the only evidence for Iranian Anti-Air UAVs is from the weapons exhibits. It doesn't mean there's anything in their current inventory right now...
Rogue Soldat
Mongoose
The Iranians have some equipment back from the days when it was buddies with the United States. Then it has some Soviet Equipment, some equipment from the Chinese, and then some formidable weapons such as the Sunburn.
And as for the Iranian UAVs, didn’t they have one that was spying on an American carrier? In anycase, war with Iran is unlikely in the next decade. If they acquire nuclear weapons, war with Iran won’t be likely for the foreseeable future.
And as for the Iranian UAVs, didn’t they have one that was spying on an American carrier? In anycase, war with Iran is unlikely in the next decade. If they acquire nuclear weapons, war with Iran won’t be likely for the foreseeable future.
Rogue Soldat
Mongoose
There’s this clip on Iranian news showing feeds from the UAV. I’m not sure how plausible or even reliable that information is given that almost all media these days have their own national agendas.
I was actually about to mention Israel. Perhaps a repeat of the attack of the Iraqi nuclear facilities? Provided that the Iranians didn’t learn from the Iraqis of course.
Ah, what interesting times we live in.
I was actually about to mention Israel. Perhaps a repeat of the attack of the Iraqi nuclear facilities? Provided that the Iranians didn’t learn from the Iraqis of course.
Ah, what interesting times we live in.
The point is, it seems to me, is not how the US, or anyone elses (Israel, coalition, whatever) would fare in al conflict with Iran, but what the wider ramifications would be. The Coallition forces are already knee deep in a bad situation in Iraq, and opening another front with Iran will just fan the flames that are calling this a crusade.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't support the current efforts in Iraq, I most certainly do, but when you are walking on eggshells, you don't decide to tap-dance...
If Iran does proceed with it's nuclear aspirations we face a difficult conundrum: Act now and inflame the alreadvy volatile near/mid east or do nothing an potentially wait until a panel truck explodes in a mushroom cloud in London or Tel Aviv or Ankara or Madrid or any where else.
G.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't support the current efforts in Iraq, I most certainly do, but when you are walking on eggshells, you don't decide to tap-dance...
If Iran does proceed with it's nuclear aspirations we face a difficult conundrum: Act now and inflame the alreadvy volatile near/mid east or do nothing an potentially wait until a panel truck explodes in a mushroom cloud in London or Tel Aviv or Ankara or Madrid or any where else.
G.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
That isn't always a good thing, the NATO upgraded Migs that Germany inherited from former East Germany were considered to be a good match for anything else Europe could field in the air for a time after the reunion of Germany.
LBH
RusVal said:Or you could hypothesize that the EFTF goes to war with the US because the French got tired of Americans calling them cowards.
:wink:
Friendly to both nations? The UK and France butt heads more often than not and there is a thinly veiled dislike for each other covered in a veneer of "entente cordiale". Heck, if the US and France were at war I think you'd have the whole nation waving you on with the stars and stripes, those that hadn't signed up.
As the syaing goes - France is a beautiful country, with beautiful food, wine, art, architecture and countryside, Just a shame it's full of French people... :?
G.
GJD, an already inflamed middle east? I havn't heard anything from other middle Eastern countries... Syria is keeping quiet and is just persuing their proxy war with Israel (thank goodness for terrorist groups, eh? Especially those that are happy to go like lambs to the slaughter), Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, and others are happy to just make money... Iraq has its own issues, where it's no longer just against the invaders...they've turned more against each other now.... Sure, there's the occasional attacks againt Coalition troops, but the princible target is now each other. For Iran, is really the only group that's been the most vocal in any fashion.
But, back to the thread topic, If I were going to theorise on a potential US/EU conflict I would plumb for an African clash. In 2017 as the hydrocarbons dwindle, resources in Africa become more important. Historical ties in the region, especially Frances legacy in North and Central Africa mean the the EU has a headstart. Libiya and Nigeria are 9th and 10th in the world for largest oil reserves, after all.
G.
G.
Hiromoon said:
Really? You don't think the mid-east is already inflamed?
Saudi Arabia, formerly the US's strongest ally in the region, has booted the US military off their soil because their presence there was undermining the moderate elements in the House of Saud - To keep his kingdom the Saudi prince had to show the US the door.
Flags and effigies of Blair and Bush are being burnt every day and hundreds die every week in Iraq and Palastine.
Just beacuse the violence is Arab on Arab or Sunni on Shia dosen't make it any less worrying.
I believe that the mid-east is more unstable now than it has been in the last 50 years. The news we get in the UK, at least, paints a very bleak picture for me. I don't know how the situation is presented in the rest of the world (I take everything on the Fox "news" channel with a pinch of salt...)
G.
GJD said:RusVal said:Or you could hypothesize that the EFTF goes to war with the US because the French got tired of Americans calling them cowards.
:wink:
Friendly to both nations? The UK and France butt heads more often than not and there is a thinly veiled dislike for each other covered in a veneer of "entente cordiale". Heck, if the US and France were at war I think you'd have the whole nation waving you on with the stars and stripes, those that hadn't signed up.
As the syaing goes - France is a beautiful country, with beautiful food, wine, art, architecture and countryside, Just a shame it's full of French people... :?
G.
Ah, I stand corrected. Actually, it would be kind of ironic. In the American Revolution, the US had assistance from France against the UK and their German mercenary allies. 240+ years later, America fights France with assistance from the UK and German arms providers... It's a mad, mad world, ain't it?
They've been buring effigies of Western Leaders for years, GJD.
Saudi Arabia is still the US's strongest ally in the region, them forcing us out doesn't change that fact. I mean, Turkey didn't let us fly over their country, but they're still our ally. Also, Qatar was happy to have CENTCOM move assets from Saudi Arabia into their country.
And the violence in Iraq is actually pretty promising if you look at it logically. It means that the society there is in the process of balancing out. If you look at the trouble areas in the country itself, you'll see most of the violance isn't effecting as many people as the media likes to portray.
I'd love to try to convince you that the Middle East is pretty much 'Buisness as Usual', but you'd have to take 'International Relations of the Middle East' to really get a handle on the entire thing.
Saudi Arabia is still the US's strongest ally in the region, them forcing us out doesn't change that fact. I mean, Turkey didn't let us fly over their country, but they're still our ally. Also, Qatar was happy to have CENTCOM move assets from Saudi Arabia into their country.
And the violence in Iraq is actually pretty promising if you look at it logically. It means that the society there is in the process of balancing out. If you look at the trouble areas in the country itself, you'll see most of the violance isn't effecting as many people as the media likes to portray.
I'd love to try to convince you that the Middle East is pretty much 'Buisness as Usual', but you'd have to take 'International Relations of the Middle East' to really get a handle on the entire thing.
Hiromoon said:
I'd love you to try and convince me that the Middle East is pretty much 'Buisness as Usual', because I do not believe it is. I also don't need to "take 'International Relations of the Middle East' to really get a handle on the entire thing", as I am an educated, well read and informed adult who can form their own opinions.
I also feel I have a reasonably good handle on events, choosing my information, as I do, from a variety of sources, both partizan and unbiased, state and independen alike. I choose to spread my net wide and form my own opinion, rather than relying on what I am told by the media. I've also spent some time in Saudi as a contractor so I know the region and a few of it's ways a little.
I also really can't see how anybody can call the escallating violence in Iraq as "pretty promising". I don't see the country stabilising at all, I see it becoming more and more divided and sectarien, with all the outside agencies looking to extracate themselves as soon as they possibly can without looking like they are running away.
Anyway, clearly we are comming at this from different angles. I'd be very happy to carry our discussion on in PM's if you'd like, but I think we are straying far from the original point of the thread.
G.
