Jak Nazryth
Mongoose
I've seen the Azanti High Lightning a bunch of times since the late 90's. I think it's around 60,000 tons, but I can't be sure. Been a long while.
Deck plans -- scale?
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Sgt_G said:
That really depends on the group, I would hazzard to bet that 28mm is the most common in that 40k and it's clones are pretty universal. Earlier it would have been 25mm.... But generally the groundscale for figures in this size are 1 inch to 1.5 meters (or the standard 5 foot square of DnD, which is real close to 1.5 meter)
Sgt_G said:
In my opinion yes 15mm is the standard miniature size for Traveller. And generally 15mm means the base of the foot to the eye line of the figure. With this there is a kinda alternate standard which is how well does said figure match up to the Traveller Line produced by Citadel/Rafm in the late 80s, with Ground Zero Games 15mm figures being good solid examples of this standard. Also in conjunction with this is that 15 mm's stated scale is 1/100th scale. In terms of Traveller 15mm squares and 1/2 inch squares where both used in published deckplans sets, I build all my models and draw out floorplans/deckplans in 1/100th (Note if your doing this by hand with quad ruled graph paper 3/4 of inch {3 grid squares} is real close to 20mm. And 3 squares on 5 to the inch graph paper real close to 15mm).
Also Note there are more character type figures available in 15mm for SF than there are for other figures sizes.
The police cutter deck plans could, in theory, be printed in 1:100 scale. Each of the eight decks is 108 x 27.5 meters, so scaled down it would print out at 44 inches by 11 inches per deck. [The entire ship] would fit on a four foot by eight foot sheet of plywood. I'm not sure many players would want that. :lol:
I forgot a pet project of mine, using 1/300th (6 mm) Miniatures and ground scale of 1/4 inch to 1.5mm. I mount the figures individually on 6 mm rare earth magnets, and use a magnetically attractive sheet under the map.
Note; the plan is to make large terrain out of foamcore (5mm/ 6/15 thick) for vertical dimensional aspects as well as using commercially available buildings, vehicles and terrain.
Also with the figure size the plan is to color code the rims of bases (magnets) of the figures for faster identification.
Note; the plan is to make large terrain out of foamcore (5mm/ 6/15 thick) for vertical dimensional aspects as well as using commercially available buildings, vehicles and terrain.
Also with the figure size the plan is to color code the rims of bases (magnets) of the figures for faster identification.
Lord High Munchkin
Mongoose
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Patron Zero
Mongoose
Admittedly a deck-plan junkie so here's my unsolicited two pence.
For reasons of economy and simple access, I've used 1/72 scale figures as so many easily available, from the nicely detailed boxed sets by MiniArt, Zvezda and others to the bagged 'generic' army soldiers found at most 'dollar' stores.
Rescaling deck-plans is a reasonably simple thing by way of online software or the old-school method of using a Proportional Scale wheel to get the correct printout of said images.
One other thing, it's a good investment to have a set of classic deck-plans printed out in hi-res 11x17 format and then laminated such, having these as a readily available reference and visual aid can resolve many issues than can arise over ship layout and on-the-fly miniature set-up.
For reasons of economy and simple access, I've used 1/72 scale figures as so many easily available, from the nicely detailed boxed sets by MiniArt, Zvezda and others to the bagged 'generic' army soldiers found at most 'dollar' stores.
Rescaling deck-plans is a reasonably simple thing by way of online software or the old-school method of using a Proportional Scale wheel to get the correct printout of said images.
One other thing, it's a good investment to have a set of classic deck-plans printed out in hi-res 11x17 format and then laminated such, having these as a readily available reference and visual aid can resolve many issues than can arise over ship layout and on-the-fly miniature set-up.
ShawnDriscoll
Cosmic Mongoose
Infojunky said:
I have all the Traveller cardboard heroes from SJGames somewhere. I don't remember what scale they are though.
ShawnDriscoll said:
Which set? they did a several sets in 15mm way-back in the day, then they did a 25mm (1/60th) set when they got the Traveller License and did their deckplans (note SJG's deckplans are 1/36th scale 1 inch to the yard).
The 15mm will fit in a 1/2 inch hex, the 25mm in a 20mm hex.
ShawnDriscoll
Cosmic Mongoose
Good question. Some of the cardboard heroes came with the GURPS Traveller deckplan modules. Some I bought in the '80s when Car Wars was still a God. I just assumed they were the same scale. I bought a Chessex battlemap recently and thought about using those heroes on it. I found the plastic bases for them (un-cut).Infojunky said:
ShawnDriscoll said:
Now, there were a couple of generic SF set produced in 25mm in the 80's alongside the Supers sets as well. the 15mm ones are obviously smaller that than the rest of the line, if you have the inset from package it says 15mm on it as well.... (http://www.travellerbibliography.org/ct.html#sjg)
spidersrepublic
Mongoose
I have been using:
1 inch = 10m
for my deck plans so far. It allows me to freehand a space station or ship without having boxes/hexes everywhere.
and then on the tabletop, we use:
1 inch = 1m
Is this an unusual way of doing it?
We use tape measures and this way i can just measure a section of the deckplans and say "It's 30m to that point" or suchlike, and it makes for easy transition into the tabletop when battles occur.
1 inch = 10m
for my deck plans so far. It allows me to freehand a space station or ship without having boxes/hexes everywhere.
and then on the tabletop, we use:
1 inch = 1m
Is this an unusual way of doing it?
We use tape measures and this way i can just measure a section of the deckplans and say "It's 30m to that point" or suchlike, and it makes for easy transition into the tabletop when battles occur.
ShawnDriscoll
Cosmic Mongoose
Nope. Players aren't going to care what scale the deckplan is on your screen.spidersrepublic said:
Well, 1 inch = 1 meter is 40:1 scale. That might work for small craft, but Star Fleet ships aren't all that small. The Police Cutter, the smallest ship in the fleet, is 108 meters long (not counting the warp drive), so at your scale it would be nine feet long. The saucer on the heavy cruiser (aka, Enterprise) or destroyer, would be over ten feet in diameter.
spidersrepublic
Mongoose
Sgt_G said:
We only use 1" = 1m for actual tabletop battles with miniatures.
For deckplans I draw the maps on A3 paper, at a scale of 1" = 10m.
which means enterprise saucer section is (roughly) only 12" wide, and easily able to fit on A3.
I don't know how big freighters are in SFU, but in Star Trek III the freighter was significantly smaller than the Klingon Bird of Prey, which itself is one of the smaller ships seen. So if the PC's aren't travelling in anything bigger than such a freighter, 1":1m may still work.
On the Enterprise (SFU or Trek), are there areas which are repeated? For example, there may be standard areas such as phaser mounts, shield generators, living quarters etc. You have one plan for each such area to a scale suitable for miniatures, plus a much smaller scale overall plan showing how everything fits together. If I remember correctly, that's how the old Azhanti High Lightning deck plans worked. There were one each of several standard types of deck, each type repeated several times throughout the ship, so you didn't need something the size of an average back garden for players to move their figures around the ship.
On the Enterprise (SFU or Trek), are there areas which are repeated? For example, there may be standard areas such as phaser mounts, shield generators, living quarters etc. You have one plan for each such area to a scale suitable for miniatures, plus a much smaller scale overall plan showing how everything fits together. If I remember correctly, that's how the old Azhanti High Lightning deck plans worked. There were one each of several standard types of deck, each type repeated several times throughout the ship, so you didn't need something the size of an average back garden for players to move their figures around the ship.
Depends on the type of freighter. The bulk freighters use cargo pods with a control section on the nose and engines strapped on the tail. Originally, a cargo pod was defined as 40meters in diameter by 200 meters long, but with the 2500-series minis, that got cut down to about 135 meters long. I guess there are military pods and civilian pods. {shrug}
The Free Trader is three decks thick at about 80 meters long by 50 meters wide. The Armed Priority Transport is probably about the same (no deck plans for it yet).
The Free Trader is three decks thick at about 80 meters long by 50 meters wide. The Armed Priority Transport is probably about the same (no deck plans for it yet).
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