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steffworthington
Mongoose
O only ever bough the rulebook. Then ignored it and played 2320AD which is like ST for grown ups. IMHO.
CharlieMonster
Mongoose
qstor said:
I never really got on with D20 Modern, but to be fair if you wanna go down the D20 route for Traveller, get T20 it is IMHO the best System rework for Traveller since (and possibly including) MegaTraveller.
Poi said:
Again, this ain't necessarily so. The target to aim for is, largely, the original Traveller rules. The fractures are along well-defined lines that are clear to see for those of us who have been around the block with Traveller. Most Traveller players would be happy to see a cleaned-up Traveller that "resembles" the original (for some value of "resembles"... perhaps the devil's in the details?)
And the company who owns the rights to rebuild the original Traveller hasn't tried it, yet. Presumably Mongoose will be the ones to build it.
Capture its essence and you'll capture the lion's share of Travellers.
I like Mongoose's motto for this: they write the kinds of games they want to play.
If they do this, I think they'll have something that will attract people to Mongoose. I presume, if they do this, they'll also keep earning the loyalty of current Mongoosians.
steffworthington
Mongoose
You deserve it Hunter. A beautiful, sturdy book with excellent layout. I use the BRP system for my traveller games but can't help handing round the T20 book for pics, costs, etc.
Seriously, fella. Well done.
I can also recommend the Travellers Aide series too... can be used as resource material and especially the Yiarn Caardee Vehicle Catalog.
Actually, Marc Miller SQUASHED a prior effort to do just that: Avenger Classic Traveller.
Which was a cleaned up CT with Task system; it was killed by Marc during playtest, to prevent competition with T5.
Unlike the T5 playtest, ACT was getting a lot of positive feedback from a wide spectrum of the non-gearhead part of the Traveller community.
One will not get all the Traveller players with a new Trav. It's a logical fallacy. However, one can return to the roots, and give the majority what they have been asking for: a revised and updated CT with a Task System that doesn't look like the horrid T4 multi-die one.
One has to look at the fractures in the community, too.
Just on rules preferences alone
CT - core only (Bk 1-3, S1-4)
CT - Expanded (Bk0-8, S1-13)
MT
MT + Hard Times
CT/MT Hybrids
TNE
TNE+T2K+DC
T4 core
T4 expanded
T20
GT
H4T
Corps Houserules
EABA Houserules
Storyteller Houserules
then there are styles of play
Gearheads (build stuff, often don't actually play)
Merchant
Mercs
Adventurers for Hire
World Tamers
System Rulers
Worldbuilders (much like gearheads)
Which was a cleaned up CT with Task system; it was killed by Marc during playtest, to prevent competition with T5.
Unlike the T5 playtest, ACT was getting a lot of positive feedback from a wide spectrum of the non-gearhead part of the Traveller community.
One will not get all the Traveller players with a new Trav. It's a logical fallacy. However, one can return to the roots, and give the majority what they have been asking for: a revised and updated CT with a Task System that doesn't look like the horrid T4 multi-die one.
One has to look at the fractures in the community, too.
Just on rules preferences alone
CT - core only (Bk 1-3, S1-4)
CT - Expanded (Bk0-8, S1-13)
MT
MT + Hard Times
CT/MT Hybrids
TNE
TNE+T2K+DC
T4 core
T4 expanded
T20
GT
H4T
Corps Houserules
EABA Houserules
Storyteller Houserules
then there are styles of play
Gearheads (build stuff, often don't actually play)
Merchant
Mercs
Adventurers for Hire
World Tamers
System Rulers
Worldbuilders (much like gearheads)
steffworthington
Mongoose
It's unusual isn't it? So many players wanting their version of one game.
I preferred CT rules (when I wasn't BRP'ing everything!) but with the Rebellion setting (MT). I bought a few GT books for resource material. Bought the TNE book for the timeline expansion. Can't stand Chris Foss art so stayed away from T4.. apart from the rules which were crap(which another gamer gave away to me because they 'offended' her). Bought T20 and the travellers aides for more resource material... again. I really don't think I need anymore setting material yet wouldnt buy the rules without it. Weird.
I preferred CT rules (when I wasn't BRP'ing everything!) but with the Rebellion setting (MT). I bought a few GT books for resource material. Bought the TNE book for the timeline expansion. Can't stand Chris Foss art so stayed away from T4.. apart from the rules which were crap(which another gamer gave away to me because they 'offended' her). Bought T20 and the travellers aides for more resource material... again. I really don't think I need anymore setting material yet wouldnt buy the rules without it. Weird.
Traveller said:
I note, with irony, that if ACT was given the license, there would probably not be a market for Mongoose Traveller.
In other words, I expect Mongoose Traveller to look a lot like ACT, even though I don't have any reason to think this other than the fact that Mongoose likes classic Traveller and has specifically mentioned it as a target, and even though it's supposed to be the "basic" version of which T5 is the "advanced" version.
Taken another way: there aren't very many ways to clean up classic Traveller. All cleanup efforts will end up looking very similar to one another. (Maybe I'm over-simplifying?)
DM said:
Yeah, if it doesn't come in "little black book" format I'll be extremely grumpy
Hopefully the print will smell the same as well. Don't know what they used for ink, but man I knew whenever my FLGS had a new "little black book" in stock the second I walked in the door. 8)
pasuuli said:
An even greater irony is that CT is still available.
I'd probably take this side of the bet as well. As you say there are only so many ways you can clean up CT and they'll all look similar. The only real sticking point I see (as others have also pointed out) is whether they use a task system similar to T5 or something closer to the old CT roll 8+, or something along the lines of MT. If you are going to have real compatibility with T5 you'd want to go with something similar. But not going that route wouldn't be too bad a difference if things like ships, vehicles, worlds, etc. remain close.
daryen said:
God I hope they do something new. Do we really need another Spinward Marches setting book? Yeah existing Traveller fans might prefer the Marches, but if they are existing Traveller fans they already have all of the previous info that covers the Marches. New players aren't going to care, and even existing fans want to see new areas covered rather than old areas rehashed. Want to do a Marches book, great, down the road please after some new stuff!
steffworthington
Mongoose
4th imperium, expanded space, focus on different regions and set in the 1400's. Thats my opinion anyway.
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