No, that forum is for 2000AD based games (2000AD is a comic).Reynard said:Actually there already is two forums down from this forum.
You mean its not Twilight 2000?Lord High Munchkin said:No, that forum is for 2000AD based games (2000AD is a comic).Reynard said:Actually there already is two forums down from this forum.
No I meant that they might think the comic book has been on the shelf since the year 2000, that's what I meant, half-jokingly of course.Rick said:It doesn't get taken down, Tom, because the 2000AD brand has been around for a while, since 1977 I think - so it's 7 years older than Twilight 2000! It's become quite well established, lol!![]()
Actually the 2001 Space Odyssey scenario was set during the Cold War, that bone club which the ape man threw up into the air turned into a space weapon, though the explanation for it ended up on the cutting room floor. Clarke revisited the Cold War in his sequel 2010, tensions between the Soviet Union and the USA was a subplot to pass the time in his story which dealt with recovering the USS Discovery and cooperating with the Russians to get the ship away from Jupiter before it turned into a star. I could have rewritten that scenario, set it in 2014, with tensions in the Ukraine being the obstacle to overcome in getting the cooperation required to get away from Jupiter before it blew up. I note that their are Russians, Americans, and Europeans working together aboard the International Space Station, and no one's yet been shoved out the airlock without a spacesuit.Rick said:I know, I was joking a bit as well. I was 10 for most of 1977 and, looking back, I can't believe how naive we were back then, looking forward to a bright, shiny future, lol!
Rick said:I think that quite a lot of today's problems might be seen as foolish with 20 years hindsight, except maybe for China. Back in the 70's it was seen as a not very credible Soviet clone, with 19th century infrastructure, now look at it. Another 20 years and it will be the third superpower (or take Russia's place), in 2300 it may be the primary superpower!
A clan is just an extended family, i don't see how that could be a superpower. The United States has been around since 1789, it has seen the rise and fall of Napoleon, the Decline of the British Empire, it survived its Civil War defeating the Confederacy, liberated Cuba and Puerto Rico from the Spanish Empire, witnessed the rise of Germany World War I, the defeat of Germany, The Great Depression, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and The Soviet Union, the United States has been fairly stable throughout, and unlike Great Britain, it has got no empire to lose, its "Empire" is itself plus a few small islands of no particular consequence. Many hope the USA goes into decline and ceases to be, but I suspect the USA will be around for the long haul, unlike the Third Reich and the Soviet Union, it will probably still exist in the year 2100, as for the next two centuries, it depends on whether anyone values the ideas it represents of democracy and the Republic and so forth. If democracy dies, then so does the United States. If destroyed, there will be people out their who will seek to recreate it, as the United States is a country of ideals and those ideals may live on if the country does not. Its much harder to kill an idea than to destroy a country.Epicenter said:Rick said:I think that quite a lot of today's problems might be seen as foolish with 20 years hindsight, except maybe for China. Back in the 70's it was seen as a not very credible Soviet clone, with 19th century infrastructure, now look at it. Another 20 years and it will be the third superpower (or take Russia's place), in 2300 it may be the primary superpower!
I doubt China will be a superpower in 2300. I don't know who will be, but China won't be. It's doubtful any of the nations we think of as "powers" will be great powers in 2300. The periods of ascendancy for a group or power are growing shorter and shorter.
The superpower will probably be the "Orbital Manufacturing Clans" or something.