B865500-C What could this world look like?

[MasterGwydion]

Just looking for opinions on what this world could look like. It is located at Core 1733 and is called Zimmel.

It seems to be an interesting world to me as it is in Core Sector and has no government and no law level, but it is a Garden World.

So, I am curious what all of your takes on what this world could be. Is it talked about in any published material?

 

[Absinthe]

I would start with the encyclopedia entry. Then expand it by having it as a world where persons from high population worlds come to take vacations and see greenery and animals. Have one continent as a hunting preserve. This would help to expand the economy for those who did not wish to be farmers or work at the starport.

 

[MarcusIII]

A lot more land area than Earth with almost no people and TL 12, no gov't and no laws.

Hmmm, maybe one major settlement that contains the industrial & food producing capability and several scattered enclaves in very nice beautiful vacation spots catering to rich off world tourists. Let's even say this world has dinosaur type flora and fauna making it somewhat unique and thus able to attract that type of clientele that would go on safaris

 

[ross]

just thinking out loud… What if the world didn’t have a law level per se because it is under direct Imperium control as a reserve. Aside from Rangers and resort employees, and outside of the very posh high port there may not be planetside starport.

 

[Condottiere]

As an agricultural world, this world is a near-ideal environment for producing quality foodstuffs of plant, animal, and other forms. Quality foodstuffs are a major export commodity for this world.
It requires extensive imports of outside technology to maintain a modern, star-faring society. Having to import most manufactured and high tech goods drives the price up for these items at this world.
Its economy and population are rapidly growing and living conditions are expected to quickly rise barring outside forces.
It is a member of the Third Imperium in the Dunea Subsector of Core Sector in the Domain of Sylea.
It is a member of the Dunea Main.
This world was also once known as Riid.


A hacienda (UK: /ˌhæsiˈɛndə/ HASS-ee-EN-də or US: /ˌhɑːsiˈɛndə/ HAH-see-EN-də; Spanish: [aˈθjenda] or [aˈsjenda]) is an estate (or finca), similar to a Roman latifundium, in Spain and the former Spanish Empire. With origins in Andalusia, haciendas were variously plantations (perhaps including animals or orchards), mines or factories, with many haciendas combining these activities. The word is derived from Spanish hacer (to make, from Latin facere) and haciendo (making), referring to productive business enterprises.

The term hacienda is imprecise, but usually refers to landed estates of significant size, while smaller holdings were termed estancias or ranchos. All colonial haciendas were owned almost exclusively by Spaniards and criollos, or rarely by mixed-race individuals.[2] In Argentina, the term estancia is used for large estates that in Mexico would be termed haciendas. In recent decades, the term has been used in the United States for an architectural style associated with the traditional estate manor houses.

The hacienda system of Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico, New Granada, and Peru was an economic system of large land holdings. A similar system existed on a smaller scale in the Philippines and Puerto Rico. In Puerto Rico, haciendas were larger than estancias; ordinarily grew sugar cane, coffee, or cotton; and exported their crops abroad.

 

[MasterGwydion]

just thinking out loud… What if the world didn’t have a law level per se because it is under direct Imperium control as a reserve. Aside from Rangers and resort employees, and outside of the very posh high port there may not be planetside starport.

Aren't the Reserves labeled on the Travellermap or am I wrong?

Edit - I see 3 Reserves listed in Core Sector on the Travellermap.

 

[MasterGwydion]

I would start with the encyclopedia entry. Then expand it by having it as a world where persons from high population worlds come to take vacations and see greenery and animals. Have one continent as a hunting preserve. This would help to expand the economy for those who did not wish to be farmers or work at the starport.

Not sure if you want a vacation spot with LL 0. Even Acapulco, Mexico has some law and no one wants to go there anymore. lol

Edit - Also the wiki page suggests a strong separatist presence on the planet which could explain the government and law levels.

 

[G'Naakbusters]

Also the wiki page suggests a strong separatist presence on the planet which could explain the government and law levels.

The trio of allies of which it's part are said (in The Third Imperium, Mongoose 2nd Edition) to want to build a more integrated subsector economy -- but separatist sentiment on other Chanestin worlds is complicating that. So it seems like Zimmel and its friends might be caught between the mainstream Imperium and the Chanestin culture; perhaps the lack of law on Zimmel (and on Bussirka for that matter) is to avoid any conflict between the common legal practices of the Chanestin and those of non-Chanestin worlds? "Let's just work things out on a case-by-case basis and build some trust in firm handshakes, and not worry about any set code that might start arguments about Imperial repression of the Kingdom or what not. Send the Vilani representatives to Uundizi if they're on edge about it."

 

[MasterGwydion]

The trio of allies of which it's part are said (in The Third Imperium, Mongoose 2nd Edition) to want to build a more integrated subsector economy -- but separatist sentiment on other Chanestin worlds is complicating that. So it seems like Zimmel and its friends might be caught between the mainstream Imperium and the Chanestin culture; perhaps the lack of law on Zimmel (and on Bussirka for that matter) is to avoid any conflict between the common legal practices of the Chanestin and those of non-Chanestin worlds? "Let's just work things out on a case-by-case basis and build some trust in firm handshakes, and not worry about any set code that might start arguments about Imperial repression of the Kingdom or what not. Send the Vilani representatives to Uundizi if they're on edge about it."

Law Level 0 seems to be a bit more than just that.

Seems like you'd need an armored firefight and military weapons to even get noticed by whatever the law is there.

Edit - Now I have to go see if I have the Third Imperium book...

 

[RYXlord]

It has a full entry in Third Imperium pg227. They're described as having no government, but being an "egalitarian individualist anarchy" with libertine economic principles, which they make work by being culturally focused on egalitarianism, so the all are provided for.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It has a full entry in Third Imperium pg227. They're described as having no government, but being an "egalitarian individualist anarchy" with libertine economic principles, which they make work by being culturally focused on egalitarianism, so the all are provided for.

Oh wow! Nice! Always good to have more information! Thank you.

 

[ross]

Aren't the Reserves labeled on the Travellermap or am I wrong?

Edit - I see 3 Reserves listed in Core Sector on the Travellermap.

Seriously canon isn't law. This is an RPG and your Traveller universe can change, grow, have mystery, whatever. Slavish canon is so boring.

 

[Endie]

Also Reserves will vary. In America you have National Parks, National Forests, State Parks, National Monuments and so on in many variations. I seriously doubt if The Imperium has fewer "reserves" of varying sorts in an entire sector than the UK alone possesses National Parks.

 

[MarcusIII]

N.B. just because there in no formal gov't and no law enforcement officials doesn't mean that the VERY armed locals won't incinerate your ass if you get out off line. They don't have to explain to Law enforcement why they skragged you for starting a fist fight in their bar.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Also Reserves will vary. In America you have National Parks, National Forests, State Parks, National Monuments and so on in many variations. I seriously doubt if The Imperium has fewer "reserves" of varying sorts in an entire sector than the UK alone possesses National Parks.

Fewer Reserves in an entire sector than the UK does in National Parks? Roughly 17,000km2.

Imperial Reserves in Core Sector? Roughly over 200 million km2, counting only land area.

Seems like the Imperium has way more Reserve in 1 Sector than the UK does. Also, we are only aware of one type of "federal-level" (Imperial) Reserve. I am sure individual planets have their own Reserves, but they are not Imperial Reserves, they would be more like State Parks in the US.

Also, these Imperial Reserves do not count planets that are Red-Zoned to preserve less developed sophont cultures.

 

[Endie]

Fewer Reserves in an entire sector than the UK does in National Parks? Roughly 17,000km2.

Imperial Reserves in Core Sector? Roughly over 200 million km2, counting only land area.

Seems like the Imperium has way more Reserve in 1 Sector than the UK does. Also, we are only aware of one type of "federal-level" (Imperial) Reserve. I am sure individual planets have their own Reserves, but they are not Imperial Reserves, they would be more like State Parks in the US.

Also, these Imperial Reserves do not count planets that are Red-Zoned to preserve less developed sophont cultures.

Fewer means a smaller number of a thing. It's a count. The UK has fifteen national parks. Which is a higher number, by most conventional maths, than three.

Fewer does not mean less area, mass or weight of a thing. If I had used a totally different word, for instance saying 'I seriously doubt if The Imperium has a smaller total area of "reserves" of varying sorts in an entire sector than the UK alone possesses total area of National Parks' then you would have a point. But I didn't.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Fewer means a smaller number of a thing. It's a count. The UK has fifteen national parks. Which is a higher number, by most conventional maths, than three.

Fewer does not mean less area, mass or weight of a thing. If I had used a totally different word, for instance saying 'I seriously doubt if The Imperium has a smaller total area of "reserves" of varying sorts in an entire sector than the UK alone possesses total area of National Parks' then you would have a point. But I didn't.

I assumed you misspoke the first time since the number of something has no relevance without the size being taken into account. If one Imperial Reserve is bigger than the whole of the UK, why would it matter that the UK has more parks?