Ancient(s)

[captainjack23]

Hold on. Someone appears to be having an argument without us! ...

Is that allowed? Which rule covers that?
- bet its in that darn Adventure 12 everyone keeps raving about!

I don the Vilani robe of great seniority and adopt the pose of extreme dissatisfaction with unwarranted but amusing sarcasm.

 

[BP]

... jump in with a scathing reference to the first printing of CT HG and how it clearly supercedes and is far better than any johnny come lately second edition, let alone a half assed resissue ?

Crap! My 1980 version isn't a first printing!

No wonder I don't know what you guys are going on about (now if I can only understand what I've been going on about...)

 

[captainjack23]

... jump in with a scathing reference to the first printing of CT HG and how it clearly supercedes and is far better than any johnny come lately second edition, let alone a half assed resissue ?

Crap! My 1980 version isn't a first printing!

No wonder I don't know what you guys are going on about (now if I can only understand what I've been going on about...)

Avaunt and quit my sight, vile NooBling.

 

[EDG]

You forgot to mention disgruntled, irate, people who complain endlessly about their pet peeves with the system, or how it doesn't meet their personal expectations of accuracy, continuity, authorial direction or worldview. We have those too. But so does every other genre with a big long term fandom. But possibly I'm just a disgruntled irate person.

You really don't know when to stop, do you. You know what, this thread is a trainwreck as it is. I'll leave you to it.

 

[captainjack23]

You forgot to mention disgruntled, irate, people who complain endlessly about their pet peeves with the system, or how it doesn't meet their personal expectations of accuracy, continuity, authorial direction or worldview. We have those too. But so does every other genre with a big long term fandom. But possibly I'm just a disgruntled irate person.

You really don't know when to stop, do you.

What ? You think traveller doesn't have those ?

 

[rust]

I have it right from the horse's mouth (= from a senior K'kree intelligence
officer) that the "Grandfather" the (secretly drugged) adventurers met in
Adventure 12 was a hologram developed by the same Hiver manipulator
who had Emperor Strephon replaced with another hologram of some guy
in a shower ... 8)

 

[captainjack23]

I have it right from the horse's mouth (= from a senior K'kree intelligence
officer) that the "Grandfather" the (secretly drugged) adventurers met in
Adventure 12 was a hologram developed by the same Hiver manipulator
who had Emperor Strephon replaced with another hologram of some guy
in a shower ... 8)

[Knock knock]

Mein Herr ? Traveller GeheimesCanon Polizeiamt .
Commen sie mit uns, bitte.

[sound of cell door slamming]

 

[rust]

[sound of cell door slamming]

To misquote Larry Niven: I know I am mad - but am I mad enough for
the OTU ? :wink:

 

[BP]

I have it right from the horse's mouth (= from a senior K'kree intelligence
officer) that the "Grandfather" the (secretly drugged) adventurers met in
Adventure 12 was a hologram developed by the same Hiver manipulator
who had Emperor Strephon replaced with another hologram of some guy
in a shower ... 8)

I knew it - I was right all along!

What? How's that?

Geheimes Polizeiamt?
Mit uns?
Nein ich bin nicht er!
Niemand ist zu Hause!

 

[AndrewW]

Hold on. Someone appears to be having an argument without us!

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=38958

HOW DARE THEY!
:wink:

Move along, nothing to see.

 

[GypsyComet]

You forgot to mention disgruntled, irate, people who complain endlessly about their pet peeves with the system, or how it doesn't meet their personal expectations of accuracy, continuity, authorial direction or worldview. We have those too. But so does every other genre with a big long term fandom. But possibly I'm just a disgruntled irate person.

You really don't know when to stop, do you.

Pfft. Remove "irate" and that paragraph describes a shockingly high percentage of the online Traveller "community" on a good day. On bad days you can throw "irate" back in and still get waaay too many of us on the nose. :roll:

 

[captainjack23]

You forgot to mention disgruntled, irate, people who complain endlessly about their pet peeves with the system, or how it doesn't meet their personal expectations of accuracy, continuity, authorial direction or worldview. We have those too. But so does every other genre with a big long term fandom. But possibly I'm just a disgruntled irate person.

You really don't know when to stop, do you.

Pfft. Remove "irate" and that paragraph describes a shockingly high percentage of the online Traveller "community" on a good day. On bad days you can throw "irate" back in and still get waaay too many of us on the nose. :roll:

Perhaps Grandfather is actually the spirit of all disgruntled Travellers after 5000 years of ferment. Kind of a demon of peevishness. I mean, he certainly acts like a fan given control of his pet continuity.....
"he who arises in snarkyness"

 

[Supergamera]

Another goofy alternate concept:

- while building jump drives isn't that hard, coming up with the working concept is very difficult, and horribly non-intuitive to most intelligent species - their brains just aren't wired to perceive the concept as viable enough to test it

- many advanced species have come and gone without developing jump - without rapid access to the stars, they tend to stay at home, and not leave much of a footprint on the larger universe

- "Grandfather" was neither the first of his species to be effectively immortal, nor the last, due to a mastery of psionic regeneration. With a stable society, long term leadership, and some sense of curiosity, the Droyne explored the galaxy, but via STL. They had the patience and outlook to retrieve samples of interesting species from up to ~200 parsecs away, put them in storage, and set them up on Droyne worlds to study.

- "Grandfather", as a leader of a research project with hominids, didn't develop jump drive. His test subjects, who he was testing for their ability to innovate with technology, came up with the idea. Even though it looked absurd by Droyne standards, he let them run their tests, expecting them to fail and learn from it.

- taking credit for the jump drive development, "Grandfather" was able to rise to dominance of the Droyne. Due to their unique potential, he established hominid test populations on many worlds and environments, and incorporated elements of their brain structure into Vargr development.

- in his rise to power, "Grandfather" eliminated any immortal Droyne rivals, except for 20 who joined with him, who he claimed as his "children". Any others who developed after this point were either placed under one of his "children", or eliminated. Parts of the Coyn ritual which he re-introduced after the Final War were designed to both promote the brain structures require to develop the jump concept, and inhibit any potential for immortal regeneration.

 

[Dave Chase]

See, I told you all along.

Grandfather lied.

He and his EGO lied and lived long enough to enforce the lie.




Dave Chase

 

[captainjack23]

.....that's weird.

Right below supergamera's post - where the next post should be - a completely blank post....with nothing whatsoever written in it. At all. Odd. Wonder what that's all about ? :twisted:

 

[alex_greene]

I don the Vilani robe of great seniority and adopt the pose of extreme dissatisfaction with unwarranted but amusing sarcasm.

You look like a Daily Mail reader in a bathrobe.

[Edited amid much cries of "Aargh"]

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

I think that he (and most of the other elder ones)are far less concerned with literary canon than with having a good setting; good being defined by their terms, obviously.

Yup.

Anyone who thinks canon should not change over the (many) past years is going to be in one one hell of a shock over the next few years. . .

OOHHH THAT sounds interesting. What does Mongoose have in mind that will move all the furniture in the room while we are not looking?

I am intrigued!

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

So I actually dragged out Adventure 12 and have been looking thru it.

Real world stuff first: it really is just another "here's a ship" "heres a solution" scenario; once on booard the players don't do much but listen. Its a style that has produced some pretty good SF literature, but some pretty tedious RPG modules. Here's where it really fails: Page 34 [SPOILER WARNING OF SORTS]*. "after a suitable period of exploration (and without warning), the adventurers find themselves completely immobilized." fast forward the player statues to the throne room in 6-7 sentences, where Grandfather wanders off and a servitor "...explains the secrets of the ancients, warns that the portal which they found must now be closed, and decides that they can be returned to the larger universe before the portal is closed."

Poof. Kind of a letdown, but it is hard to see how the whole mystery could be resolved by the players themselves, particularly in the teeny book format; possibly in a tailored campaign book, the like of which has developed in the RPG world since then. Oh well.

Okay, now that that's out of the way, let's pretend that it isn't just an over edited version of a much longer story, and see what we can make of it.




*If you really don't know the secret of the ancients, congratulations on buying traveller for the first time. Hopefully its going to be better dealt with this time around.

Well, I don't believe it! Sounds like another spacer tale to me. How many rounds did you have to buy to get the entire story out of them? THAT many, dude you got suckered good! :twisted:

 

[MongooseMatt]

OOHHH THAT sounds interesting. What does Mongoose have in mind that will move all the furniture in the room while we are not looking?

I am intrigued!

Aslan hands will have tentacles.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

GOOD! At least they won't be Kittycats in SPPAAAACCEEE!