An Immediate Ban on the OTU - Effective 8.11.08

[Mithras]

And I thought I was being clever sticking that up using the US date system!!!

I am British goddamit!

Writing GURPS Atomic Horror was quite a trial having to spell in a foreign language.

 

[rust]

I am British goddamit!

Don't panic. While there is no medical treatment for that condition, it
is at least not infectious. :wink:

 

[GamerDude]

Either way, if it makes you feel good to have gotten answers directly from Marc or Kromm about how things really are then bully for you, but I really don't care if they did, and I don't really think anyone else does either.

As has been pointed out before, we know you don't care what those who are in charge of the IP think, it's only what you want to think in the face of anything contrary.

And, as I have said repeatedly, I'm not saying anyone else should care. I've posted what I was told and everyone can make their own decision to accept it or not, that's fine by me. I'm busy trying to find all the material Marc said is Canonical do I can have it in the original hardcopy (later I'll be getting the PDF/CD-ROMS).

So have fun EDG... at whatever makes you happy.

 

[GamerDude]

Ooo, GOTO statements? That'll get you flogged nowadays .

Only in advanced languages. BASICally it's fine as long as you aren't using like C++, etc.

 

[Baron Sidur Haski]

Turn? :?: From the Imperium :?: Balderdash!

Something really must be done about all these Merit Nobles' amateur comedic antics disturbing us Hereditary fellows naps in the Moot!

That's why you have all of these unprofitable mercenary tickets and Hivers selling faulty housecleaning robotics!

 

[rust]

... and Hivers selling faulty housecleaning robotics!

Or worse, using faulty mops.

We need a revolution and the utter destruction of the entire OTU just
to get rid of the Hivers. :twisted:

 

[RandyT0001]

We need a revolution and the utter destruction of the entire OTU just to get rid of the Hivers.

Could we keep the K'Kree, I loovvvvvee good BBQ. Goes great with my SolaCola.

 

[atpollard]

I am British goddamit!

Don't panic. While there is no medical treatment for that condition, it
is at least not infectious. :wink:

And at least you are not Welsh. :wink:

 

[Vile]

I am British goddamit!

Don't panic. While there is no medical treatment for that condition, it
is at least not infectious. :wink:

And at least you are not Welsh. :wink:

Thank goodness for that. Not everyone can be perfect, Wales just isn't big enough!

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Don't panic. While there is no medical treatment for that condition, it is at least not infectious. :wink:

And at least you are not Welsh. :wink:

Thank goodness for that. Not everyone can be perfect, Wales just isn't big enough!

So true, Vile .

And anyway, it could have been worse.

Mithras could have been Belgian....... :shock: :twisted: :wink:

 

[Mithras]

Look I might be the only quarter Belgian/quart Welsh, half English Traveller gamer out there for all you know! (A bit like a Bwap/Vegan/Vilani crossbreed) ... Just call me Edward Jean-Pierre Jones-Evans.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Look I might be the only quarter Belgian/quart Welsh, half English Traveller gamer out there for all you know! (A bit like a Bwap/Vegan/Vilani crossbreed) ... Just call me Edward Jean-Pierre Jones-Evans.

But you're not, are you :shock: :twisted:

 

[GhostWolf69]

I thought this was all Banned now... so can we please talk about something else?...



/wolf

 

[FreeTrav]

Since people have asked for it, here it is... (This is the original text, from August of 2003)

Of late, there has been much verbiage expended on the topic of canon, and what should and shouldn't be. I think that some of the folks expending the verbiage are forgetting that which is of critical importance in any discussion of Canon...

Canon is for Authors
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd say Canon is also for Referees and Players. These days many regualar (weekly) gamers meets around here either have died due to players getting a real life or have a terminal case of Woddlers. So finding a group depends on Internet forums and can involve some travelling (up to 50km, one way).

In that situation canon becomes important. If a GM says "I will referee Traveller, 1105 timeline, We'll play Imperials" than players will have a certain set of assumptions about what goes/exists/can be played and what does not. It also tells potential players "This is the universe we will play in. If you can't accept it - don't join this group"

That does not mean ATU's are bad by default but if a Referee writes "ISW during <Time of the empty peace>" than players expect space adventures and espionage and might be quite disappointed if the referee offers "V" style resistance scenarios on Vilanie occupied earth. OTOH a referee that says "StarTrek, Vojager-style scenario" can expect the players to show all the "stupid behaviours" of a StarFleet crew ("We are lost, 70years from home. But let's explore that strange thing weeks off-course anyway")

Canon is a nice baseline. If a referee want's to deviate from it he should say so BEFORE starting a group.

I think you've missed the point that was made earlier - unless you're playing canned adventures without any deviation from the sourcebook, using the rules exactly as they're specified in the rulebook, you're 'breaking canon'. But that's OK, because for the Players, Canon *is* irrelevant. Which is what I said.

Yes, one can use canon descriptors to establish a baseline of expectations - that's in part what I was referring to in my comments about '...Imagination, collected and distilled...'. But by the time the Players 'get hold' of Canon, it doesn't matter whether any particular supplement or rulebook is Canon; what's important by then is an intangible that's called 'atmosphere' or 'feel' or somesuch like that.

There is, to the best of my knowledge, no canonical information on Zarushagar sector. Yet, one can easily say, and have understood, "Tonight we'll be playing in Rebellion-era Zarushagar; the mission will be a counterintel op against Dulinor's faction." Canon or not? Irrelevant; we've established sufficient information to have an idea what to expect, not because "counterintelligence in Z is canon", but because "...Imagination, collected and distilled..." from previous discussion of Canon has established a set of expectations - the baseline you spoke of. But it's not specifically canonical, it's merely the established "emotional context" that adheres to canon. And that's the difference.

 

[Baron Sidur Haski]

I work on two kinds of stuff:

Stuff for Games, or for my "Pocket Empire/Landgrab" at Sidur Haski, which is on the "Big Map" in the OTU (as far as I know). This has a ficticious OTU shipyard that produces ships, grav vehicles, robots, weapons, armor, devices, etc.
This sort of work is fun for me, it is how I relax, and I wouldn't expect it to be inducted into the Traveller hall of fame. It is like "school" or "practice" for me. That stuff is free, as it should be.

The other kind of stuff would be stuff for Projects or Products. I want to get going on a product soon, under the liscencing guidelines, but I'm not quite ready yet. But one thing is for sure. The skills and procedures i learned messing around using the OTU as a test platform are going to come in handy. Hopefully these products will be good enough to market, even if they should cost 1p. Outlining ATUs is a lot of fun. Making the time to sit and fill in the outline between kids, work, games, more work, etc. can be a challenge.

 

[GhostWolf69]

Here we go again... :?

I thought the purpous of this thread was to heartily and playfully ignore our differences and crack jokes about them.

Not to start another one of countless debates on the subject.

/wolf

 

[GamerDude]

What's this "Oh-Tee-You" that people keep talking about, and why are they shooting it with a cannon.

 

[rust]

What's this "Oh-Tee-You" that people keep talking about, and why are they shooting it with a cannon.

Whatever it is, if it causes countless debates, it doubtless deserves to
be shot with a cannon. Or a battery of cannons. :twisted:

 

[FreeTrav]

Here we go again... :?

I thought the purpous of this thread was to heartily and playfully ignore our differences and crack jokes about them.

Not to start another one of countless debates on the subject.

/wolf

Well, yeah - I thought all of my superfluous pleonasmic verbosity, complete with Deliberately Pompous False Gravitas Imparted By Capitalization, would have been a clue how I felt about the subject, even while I was deliberately including some valid points there...

 

[GhostWolf69]

Here we go again... :?

I thought the purpous of this thread was to heartily and playfully ignore our differences and crack jokes about them.

Not to start another one of countless debates on the subject.

/wolf

Well, yeah - I thought all of my superfluous pleonasmic verbosity, complete with Deliberately Pompous False Gravitas Imparted By Capitalization, would have been a clue how I felt about the subject, even while I was deliberately including some valid points there...

In my experience, no clues are obvious enough in this medium. I can post wink-smileis 20feet high and some people will still think I'm serious or taking a pot shot at them. Or even think I'm being extra nasty and spiteful because of them.

As a result I stoped (or minimised the use of) them.

/wolf