Admirals

[G'Reat]

Hi @ all
I am new to this forum and to ACTA (got my books yesterday). Me and some of my friends read about this game and wanted to try it out. I have a question about admirals. If I play a five point Raid game and want to have an admiral, the ship will become a Battle level ship. My guess is that the ship has still to be a Raid level ship (not a Battle level choice), right ? Does an admiral cost something ? On Armageddon the ship he is on also costs an additional Battle point. Do I have to pay for the "upgrade" to Battle level (2 Raid points for a Raid level ship with an admiral ) ?

 

[darknight]

hi, and welcome to the forums,
i havent used one yet but i guess you would have to count the ship as battle level because of the admiral and that also is its cost, i.e the upgrade in pl

 

[Lord David the Denied]

If you park the admiral on a raid ship, it becomes a battle ship, yes. If you park him on a battle ship, it becomes a war ship, and so on. Personally I don't think it's worth it, since he has to have the highest PL ship anyway, so in a 5 raid game as Centauri, if you fielded a Primus or Dargan at battle level he'd have to be on there, and it would cost four of your five points, becoming a war level ship.

 

[Da Boss]

If you park the admiral on a raid ship, it becomes a battle ship, yes. If you park him on a battle ship, it becomes a war ship, and so on. Personally I don't think it's worth it, since he has to have the highest PL ship anyway, so in a 5 raid game as Centauri, if you fielded a Primus or Dargan at battle level he'd have to be on there, and it would cost four of your five points, becoming a war level ship.

I think the rule is to try to avoid powerful admirals of tiny ships - hwoever I would like to try the following variant on the rule:

Any fleet of at least 5 Fleet Allocation points in size may include a single Admiral to lead it. He is placed on one ship and will raise its Priority Level by one, so a Raid level ship will become a Battle level ship, a Battle level ship will become a War level ship, and so on. An Armageddon level ship will take both an Armageddon level slot and a Battle level slot. An Admiral must be placed on a ship with the Command trait or the highest Priority Level ship in the fleet (before the ship’s Priority Level is increased by the presence of the Admiral).

 

[Lord David the Denied]

I quite like that. That way you could have an admiral command a Centauri fleet from a Balvarin even if there was a Primus in the fleet.

 

[Da Boss]

hmm I thought it was an intesting fix but not sure about if it is fair for all fleets - but interested in reaction

Command Ships

EA - Raid +
Dilgar - Skirmish +
Minbari have to wait till Battle
Narn also have to wait till battle
Centauri - raid+
ISA - have to wait for War - but could get lower with a Ally
Abbai - have no got one ! (could make a Milani variant)
Brakiri - Raid+
Drazi - Skirmish +
Gaim - have not got one (hmm)
Pakmara - have not got one
Vree - not got one till battle

 

[Lord David the Denied]

It's still a useful option, even if it means you don't have to double the cost of a war-level ship. Still worth using, and command variants can be added for other races down the line.

 

[inq101]

I can't see many situations where gaining an admiral is worth doubling the cost of a ship, especialy if it's the largest ship in your fleet.

 

[Da Boss]

well some people do play with for instance all Raid ships or similar - however it was the having to use the largest ship always that I invented the above idea - any thoughts on it?

 

[inq101]

It would make sense.

 

[Romu]

I like the command ship idea, dunno if that's fair tho

 

[Jhary]

One silly question what happens if you put the admiral in an Ship of armagedon Level?

 

[Da Boss]

I think its 1 armg and 1 battle point (which is relatively cheap as War level costs Armged point )

 

[Spideredd]

To be perfectly honest, I think I'd rather have more ships over the one super-ship.
So few of the admiral traits do much for the entire fleet. Mostly, it's just the one single ship.

 

[Harry Lonsdale]

hmm I thought it was an intesting fix but not sure about if it is fair for all fleets - but interested in reaction

Command Ships

EA - Raid +
Dilgar - Skirmish +
Minbari have to wait till Battle
Narn also have to wait till battle
Centauri - raid+
ISA - have to wait for War - but could get lower with a Ally
Abbai - have no got one ! (could make a Milani variant)
Brakiri - Raid+
Drazi - Skirmish +
Gaim - have not got one (hmm)
Pakmara - have not got one
Vree - not got one till battle

Perhaps substitute highest PL Queen in the fleet for the Gaim.