A simple suggestion

[wbnc]

we have been here since at least October of 2015, going around and around with the same issues being brought up half a doze times with no clear alternatives that aren't buried in walls of posts, numbers, and debate...

why not adopt the following pattern. so we can excavate objections, and proposals out of the mass of threads that I cant even begin to untangle.

I propose the following change to (X)
Description of changes with new version as you would like to see it in the final edition.
followed by a paragraph or two on why you feel the change is needed.

and if I seem to be getting a bit impatient, or less than cooperative, even tempered.....In October 2014 I submitted some work that is setting in limbo waiting for this process to be finished. I would really like to see this wrap up so I can go and rewrite it using the new set of rules..some time this year.


while i enjoy the discussion and the back and forth and think highly of all of you...and have learned a lot I can use in my work....I would really like to be done with before October 2016.

 

[Nerhesi]

I completely understand wbnc as I also have some submitted stuff that I actually need to revisit completely after MGT2 and resubmit

As for the feedback process i've think we've caught a lot of critical issues thus far. We're in much better shape than the abuses that were previously around during MGT1 as well. The current "lull" is because the next big move will introduce the capital combat system which would address many of the concerns raised - granted it will abstract quite a bit.

I think we just need a bit of trust in the powers that be behind the scenes to sift through all this material, incorporate as needed, discard/ignore where they feel it is not required, and take us to the next milestone. As it stands now I think our milestones are actually pretty clearly defined:

a) Clear up any major balance issues in the current construction system - For example, Hangars/Tubes/Etc
b) Implement Capital Combat Abstract system (which will have to be assessed as most of the current conversations around the performance of capital craft may be invalid)
c) People to accept the fact certain decisions are made and we are moving on (that would include me too )

The key is to get this thing to print asap without compromising quality - which differs from personal opinion or naval strategic theory (some caveats in there).

 

[wbnc]

to be honest this is the most fun I have had in ages as far as reading and commenting on ideas. Getting to add my opinion on the next version is what I wished more games would have done over the years

and the back and forth is resulting in some great ideas and tweaks, but at times my brain hurts trying to keep up with the numbers. That is NOT my strong point. I am more of a concept and idea guy....So I am leaving the numbers to far more suited minds.

I have gotten pretty good at accepting things I'd like to change but know I am not going to get...and so far I have gotten more than I would have asked for. When I do get to rebuild my stuff they are going to be much improved.

 

[phavoc]

In some ways I would prefer the print version gets held off on for a few months while the PDF version gets circulated. Other people are going to spot things we never thought of (hive mind and all that). While no game slips out the door without errors, it's a LOT easier to fix a pdf than print...

 

[phavoc]

In some ways I would prefer the print version gets held off on for a few months while the PDF version gets circulated. Other people are going to spot things we never thought of (hive mind and all that). While no game slips out the door without errors, it's a LOT easier to fix a pdf than print...

 

[wbnc]

Now that's an idea worth exploring.

 

[Chas]

Absolutely. And then the pdf can also be fixed and re-issued. I don't know who Matt got to do the pdf bookmarks for the core release but if he's paying them they should be fired. :lol:

 

[phavoc]

It's not a question of IF any more problems will be found.. it's a question of how many, and how bad they are going to be. All of us here have our own blinders on, and the others are going to see things from a fresh viewpoint that we aren't.

Or are too busy debating other things to see. Plus they'll look at the rules from a perspective of someone who hasn't been debating them for a while...

 

[wbnc]

It's not a question of IF any more problems will be found.. it's a question of how many, and how bad they are going to be. All of us here have our own blinders on, and the others are going to see things from a fresh viewpoint that we aren't.

Or are too busy debating other things to see. Plus they'll look at the rules from a perspective of someone who hasn't been debating them for a while...

And there's a truth if ever one was spoken.

when got the playtest back on my submission who ever did it spotted things that I never even considered. Part of why I like to post stuff for review and critique. The PdF format gives a chance for changes to be made without a stack of dead trees laying around with errors and old rules included.

 

[AndrewW]

when got the playtest back on my submission who ever did it spotted things that I never even considered.

***Guilty***

Yup, fresh eyes can offer a new perspective. Also not knowing already what was intended can more easily find things that may not be clear.

 

[wbnc]

when got the playtest back on my submission who ever did it spotted things that I never even considered.

***Guilty***

Yup, fresh eyes can offer a new perspective. Also not knowing already what was intended can more easily find things that may not be clear.

Well now I know. I owe you a beverage of your choice.

One thing I wold love to see come out of this process is some sort of semi regular player created material publication. Seeing the builds put together for the play tests/debates has been great. Seeing them all polished up, perhaps illustrated, and put together would be ...interesting.

 

[AndrewW]

Well now I know. I owe you a beverage of your choice.

Nah, no need. Going over ships is always such fun...

One thing I wold love to see come out of this process is some sort of semi regular player created material publication. Seeing the builds put together for the play tests/debates has been great. Seeing them all polished up, perhaps illustrated, and put together would be ...interesting.

There's Freelance Traveller.

 

[wbnc]

Well now I know. I owe you a beverage of your choice.

Nah, no need. Going over ships is always such fun...

One thing I wold love to see come out of this process is some sort of semi regular player created material publication. Seeing the builds put together for the play tests/debates has been great. Seeing them all polished up, perhaps illustrated, and put together would be ...interesting.

There's Freelance Traveller.

Didn't think of that....and I'mm sure they would love some fresh materiel on a semi regular basis

now all that needs to be done is herd some cats and get guys to put together their stuff and submit it

 

[ShawnDriscoll]

I want the book now, however the rules currently are in it. I don't care about the many nit-picked minutia rule details that don't matter anyway.