2nd Ed ACTA - Lumbering
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Iain McGhee
Mongoose
Not official, but I can't see how a lumbering ship wouldn't be able to take advantage of gravity wells in the same manner as other ships. The lumbering trait disallows the ship from making more than one turn, but that's down to limitations on the ship's engines. The gravity well effects are environmental and should not affect this. Speed 0 ships can use gravity wells, so why not any other ship ?
"may never make more under _any_ circumstances"
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
wow....
Gravitic Shifters was my first thought too...
But....really?...would have thought it would be 'it cannot turn' vs 'it cannot be turned'... ie like Iain says above, the gravity well turn is the environment acting on the ship, not the ship turning...oh well....least its clear and consistent...feel bad for the Brakiri/Abbai though.
Ripple
Gravitic Shifters was my first thought too...
But....really?...would have thought it would be 'it cannot turn' vs 'it cannot be turned'... ie like Iain says above, the gravity well turn is the environment acting on the ship, not the ship turning...oh well....least its clear and consistent...feel bad for the Brakiri/Abbai though.
Ripple
Sulfurdown
Mongoose
msprange said:
Is this a change in ruling from the S&P 48* article on the 2nd Edition changes or did Mr. Oliver just misinterpret the rules?
*Corrected
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Well issue 28 is over a year and a half old, and the article possibly even older.
LBH
LBH
Greg Smith
Mongoose
I think he means 48.
Right Hand of God
Mongoose
"May never make more under any circumstances" is different to actively being turned by your opponent. I don't read Matt's statement as them being immune to grav weapons. They aren't making more turns, you are turning them.
Sulfurdown
Mongoose
Greg Smith said:
I think he should stop drinking while he's posting. (That's my excuse and I'm sticking too it. Yes, I meant 48.. the latest..)
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Well due to limited PC time I still haven't gotten to 48 yet :shock:
LBH
LBH
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Right Hand of God said:
I would argue that in a gravity well the same is true, the ship is not maneuvering the planet is turning it....
Methos5000
Mongoose
So just to be clear on this, Are lumbering ships effectively immune to Graviton Shifters? This just seems a little odd to me. A lumbering ship is able to strain it engines to the max and get 1/90 when it uses Come About, but the gravity of a planet or a weapon that cause fluctuation in gravity have no effect on it?
What about the additional movement given by the slingshot effect? According to the rules a ship with lumbering doesn't move after it turns but the gravity well rules state that if the planet is in the forward arc of the ship and the ship ended its movement in the gravity well it is automatically moved forward the distance listed on the planet chart and gains an additional turn. Are both of these ignored it the ship turned already? Is this additional move required by all ships since it says "automatically"?
What about the additional movement given by the slingshot effect? According to the rules a ship with lumbering doesn't move after it turns but the gravity well rules state that if the planet is in the forward arc of the ship and the ship ended its movement in the gravity well it is automatically moved forward the distance listed on the planet chart and gains an additional turn. Are both of these ignored it the ship turned already? Is this additional move required by all ships since it says "automatically"?
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
I can't see them being immune to Gravitic Shifters as they're a weapon, not an environmental effect (which Matt says does not allow further turns). I'd think they'd still get the slingshot effect extra movement, but not the extra turn. I'm not sure about whether they should get the extra move if they've turned already as I was wrong about environmental effects not being limited by traits with regards to the extra turn. I'd allow it but you'd really need an answer from Matt to be sure.
Methos5000
Mongoose
Well even if it doesn't get the extra turn it still doesn't answer my other question. Is the extra movement given by gravity wells ignored as well? According to the Lumbering trait, after a ship turns it may not move forward ANY further after turning, however Slingshot rules state ships AUTOMATICALLY move the extra movement when facing a planet and ending movement in the gravity well. So which rule gets ignored here?
Hmm, I guess we will find out what happens when an unstoppable force (gravity) meets an immovable force (a lumbering ship), Perhaps the scenario just ends because Space-Time rips its self apart?
Hmm, I guess we will find out what happens when an unstoppable force (gravity) meets an immovable force (a lumbering ship), Perhaps the scenario just ends because Space-Time rips its self apart?
