2nd Age Question

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

I am a little confused here. I know the ultimate outcome of the second age - EWF is destroyed by the Dragonnewts, God Learner's are put to rest (basically). What I do not know is when these things happen.

MRQ is based in the 2nd Age of Glorantha. From the time frame the book is placed, when does the 3rd age begin?

or how many years till the 3rd age?

I know I do not have to follow the curriculum of the history, and I am leading myself to that, but I just want to know...

Thanks....

 

[Rurik]

Different cultures mark the end of the second age at different times or with different events. Virtually all cultures experienced some major cataclysm that marks the end of the age.

These events take place in about 100-200 years from the time the books are set.

 

[Rurik]

Actually, the Closing (where the seas gradually become unnavigable) starts in about 12 years I think. The Closing is sometimes considered the beggining of the end of the age.

 

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

That is why I never liked Elric! The world was DOOMED...

I guess, if all else fails, I will run in my time span, maybe never going into another age. Or perhaps just having one side win, the Storm Pantheon win, or something...

I think I have to decide what precepts will I follow in this campaign. Do I use Glorantha's time frame or my own...

I will probably do the latter... Cause getting a copy of the original Glorantha is nie impossible...

 

[weasel_fierce]

Well, the question to ask is.. is your campaign going to last for enough in-game years that it actually matters ?

Of course, as oft stated "your glorantha may vary" so who knows ?

EDIT: Just to clarify in case that sounds kind of sharp, Im not trying to be a dick.

Personally, I like knowing how things will, ultimately, end and what happens. Its part of the fun of exploring the setting. Same things for Elric, Traveller and others.

Other people like to have it open, and in that case, you can end up creating your own story instead.

 

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

Of course, as oft stated "your glorantha may vary" so who knows ?

:wink: I guess I Was repetative....

Oh well!!!

 

[Osentalka]

Hello

Yes, there are different dates for the end of the second - beginning of the third age given by different cultures.

The main genertalan events would be:

Seshnela is destroyed by the gods (via the Luatha) in 1049.
Dragonewts destroy the EWF in Dragon Pass 1120.

That gives you PLENTY of time for your camaign... not only a few years as in Elric.


Cheers

Osentalka

 

[soltakss]

If you think about it, the Third Age is just as doomed as the Second Age was.

Orlanth is killed, a bit.
Argrath brings back Sheng Seleris.
Argrath pulls down the Red Moon, with a bit of Draconic help.
Argrath's Trickster kills all the gods (bummer)

Also, what happens in the meantime?

All the children die.
The seas dry up and then come back again.
The UZ all die out.
Cragspider is killed.
Everyone forgets how to read and write.

See, it's not a very nice place at all in the fairly near future.

But, that still doesn't stop people from playing Third Age campaigns.

 

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

Yeah, I guess you are right. Does not matter.

Question though, is there anything a group of PC's can do to STOP the third age?

Any ideas?

 

[Rasta]

All the children die.
The seas dry up and then come back again.
The UZ all die out.
Cragspider is killed.
Everyone forgets how to read and write.

Realy? All the Uz die at the end of the third age?

 

[Sinisalo]

Yeah, I guess you are right. Does not matter.

Question though, is there anything a group of PC's can do to STOP the third age?

Any ideas?

Bring down both empires!
Now that's a campaign...

 

[Osentalka]

>Orlanth is killed, a bit.

correct


>Argrath brings back Sheng Seleris.

correct... a big failure but correct.


>Argrath pulls down the Red Moon, with a bit of Draconic help.

Argrath Dragonfriend


>Argrath's Trickster kills all the gods (bummer)

Or so it seems to be.



>Also, what happens in the meantime?

>All the children die.

Not all of them!


>The seas dry up and then come back again.

Not as i understand it: A lot of land masses get flooded, then the seas go back to where they belong to.


>The UZ all die out.

Never heard of than one.
Where does that come from?


>Cragspider is killed.

Like most Super Heroes, and Heroes.


>Everyone forgets how to read and write.

At least tempolarily (maybe also only regionally).



Cheers

Osentalka

 

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

Bring down both empires!
Now that's a campaign...

easier said than done, but a Damned good campaign.....

I guess if one chooses the God Learner's I can play that too kill off the EWF, than get him to do the bidding of a god, easier said than done again to destroy his own empire.

Possibilities are endless...

right now, I have a new player that wants to be God Learner, the rest are following the "pantheon gods". I have one Dragonnewt PC, so that can take care of the EWF. He hates them anyway, as he was kicked out of Dragonnewt society...

I do not quite know how to do it, but I will figure it out...


Once I read a little deeper in the Glorntha book, I read the seas are already acting up. My intention is to make the GL's ships dissapear from a HUGE Octopus, who is under the control of the Waertagi.

 

[weasel_fierce]

Your players may also surprise you and come up with some crazy plan of their own

 

[sidkfjjteidlkkf]

Your players may also surprise you and come up with some crazy plan of their own

Very True, I have just have to guide them into it...

They hate when I do that.

 

[soltakss]

Daring to contradict me

>Also, what happens in the meantime?

>All the children die.

Not all of them!

Yes, but King of Sartar p 162, talking about Renedali "She told my mother that the worst thing in her life was when the skies went black, and the dust kept falling down, and all the children, including her own, died."

Of course, "all the children" might mean "all the children in the area" or "all the children she knew of" or something similar, but it must have been pretty nasty because the author generally accepted the statement without comment.

>The seas dry up and then come back again.

Not as i understand it: A lot of land masses get flooded, then the seas go back to where they belong to.

King of Sartar p 162 Renedali "She was queen who ruled when the earth broke, and the water ran strangely in its riverbeds, and the oceans went away for a while." Sure they came back, and they had washed up against Kero Fin, probably another Worcha-style incident. But they went away.

>The UZ all die out.

Never heard of than one.
Where does that come from?

King of Sartar p 161, Londario travels to the ruines Blackorm Mountain and, to his surprise, finds trolls living there. I always assumed that this meant that he was surprised to find trolls as they were all dead. Perhaps it means that he was surprised to find trolls there after Cragspider had been killed.

It's all in the interpretation, I suppose.

>Everyone forgets how to read and write.

At least tempolarily (maybe also only regionally).

Sure, they learn to readn and write again and some might have been immune, but they seem to have caught a disease/illness that made them forget how to do it. It may have been a localised thing, but that's still pretty important in my book.

So, added together, this was not a nice time at all.

But, this isn't the Gloranthan Digest or World of Glorantha site, so it's not worth debating trivia, but anyone who wants to see how an age ends very messily should read King of Sartar. It may be inaccurate but gives a nice flavour of a very, very nasty time.

 

[Sinisalo]

Yes, but King of Sartar p 162, talking about Renedali

{snip}

.....You mean something written by Greg 10 years ago hasn't been Gregged yet? Is KoS still cannon?

Incidentally it was reading KoS that made me realise RuneQuest III was just not good enough for playing in Glorantha. Truly heroic goings on cant be modelled by d100 in my opinion. Well the stuff in KoS cant be.

 

[Osentalka]

>>>All the children die.

>Yes, but King of Sartar p 162, talking about Renedali "She told my
>mother that the worst thing in her life was when the skies went black,
>and the dust kept falling down, and all the children, including her own,
>died."
>
>Of course, "all the children" might mean "all the children in the area" or
>"all the children she knew of" or something similar, but it must have
>been pretty nasty because the author generally accepted the statement
>without comment.

I assume that this means only "in the area".
And i think that the "skies went black" event is after the Red Moon comes down.
Sort of a fallout.


>>>The seas dry up and then come back again.
>>
>>Not as i understand it: A lot of land masses get flooded, then the seas
>>go back to where they belong to.
>
>King of Sartar p 162 Renedali "She was queen who ruled when the earth
>broke, and the water ran strangely in its riverbeds, and the oceans
>went away for a while." Sure they came back, and they had washed up
>against Kero Fin, probably another Worcha-style incident. But they went
>away.

Ah, THAT event.
The Uz block Magastas Pool with a big bunch of ice.
This caused a small flooding.
The the ice goes down Magastas Pool. Along with a lot of water. Most water gets drawn to that too.
THAT is the "water went away" event.
Then a second ice shelf blocks the Pool for a longer time.
That is the flooding up to Kero Fin.

Greg spoke about this event at seminars at TENTACLES and/or Continuum Conventions.


>>>The UZ all die out.
>>
>>Never heard of than one.
>>Where does that come from?
>
>King of Sartar p 161, Londario travels to the ruines Blackorm Mountain >and, to his surprise, finds trolls living there. I always assumed that this
>meant that he was surprised to find trolls as they were all dead. Perhaps
>it means that he was surprised to find trolls there after Cragspider had
>been killed.
>
>It's all in the interpretation, I suppose.

Londario is a scribe in the area we know as Dragon Pass an Environs.
Maybe, but only maybe, the Uz of Dragon Pass an Environs die out at the end of the third age (and i doubt that), but the rest of Glorantha is a totally different matter.


>>>Everyone forgets how to read and write.
>>
>>At least tempolarily (maybe also only regionally).
>
>Sure, they learn to readn and write again and some might have been
>immune, but they seem to have caught a disease/illness that made them
> forget how to do it. It may have been a localised thing, but that's still
>pretty important in my book.

In my Glorantha this is only a local event for Dragon Pass and Environs as well as Peloria, but thats it.


>So, added together, this was not a nice time at all.

I agree, the end of the third age (as the end of EVERY age so far) was a VERY bad time.


>But, this isn't the Gloranthan Digest or World of Glorantha site, so it's not
>worth debating trivia, but anyone who wants to see how an age ends
>very messily should read King of Sartar. It may be inaccurate but gives
>a nice flavour of a very, very nasty time.

And as i have heared, "King of Sartar" will be republished as part of the "Stafford Library" (also known as "Works in Progess" or "Unfinished Works") at Moon Design Publications.

And, maybe, we will get an updated version with some more details?


Cheers

Osentalka