Why do Centauri have beams?

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I know there's a nice huge thread about taking the beams from Centauri because they shouldn't have them, as goes the show - and I hope someone will consolidate that thread into workable stats.

But just a quick question, what was the logic of giving Centauri beams in the first place?
 
*POUNCE*

Centauri have beams because JMS & AoG said they did.


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To be a little more descriptive. IIRC the belief was that since Centauri had been around and active in interstellar machinations for so long, that they wouldn't have ignored the most powerful weapons systems. Most other races actually acquired laser tech from pieces left by Centauri over their long history of conquering and losing territory. Either directly finding equipment or through the Narn.
 
I had a go at it earlier, I posted a bunch of stats, but have since revised most of them (no Ion Repeaters). I also felt free to make new stuff up to fit new jobs for the fleet, which might have been going a bit too far.
 
As I recall, AOG put beams on the Centauri ships because the original plans passed to them from the show's model design team labeled the weapons mounts 'lasers' or something like that. Even when later we saw Centauri ships fighting without beams, that had already been established as 'canon' in the game system (which was already out before the series ended, remember).
 
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Look to the right past the fire coming from the Primus turrets. See the two little rods emanating from the wing? There is another on the left side too.
According to the netter digital guys these were lasers so AOG gave them lasers
 
Well, call me crazy but in that pic it looks to me as if the Narn ship is firing it's lasers at another target. I hate to argue but again, at no time in the series (and I consider the series the only "canon source"-except for JMS, of course!) do you see the Centauri using a laser. Here in my neck of the woods we are trying something different. It looks good but we have only had one playtest so far. I'll get authorization to release more info shortly! :)
 
9a. Primus battle lasers

"Finally, I would also like to point out that arguing that the weapons on the
Primus are not correct is in truth a losing proposition. Sometime ago we
created a ship, specifically because of arguments from this newsgroup, to
more closely ape the ship as seen in the show. It is the Secundus. As we had
not seen it fire the lasers, we removed them, and replaced them and some TAs
with the heavy arrays. As no fighter was ever seen with these ships, we also
removed the fighters. In both cases that are generally sited from the show,
the Centauri ship was going to be boarding enemy vessels. Thus, we made it an
assault ship and added the assault shuttles and the ability to carry breaching
pods. The Primus is simply the original version of this ship. If the
argument is going to extend to all Centauri lasers I will say I see absolutely
no basis for this argument. Nearly every race utilises one sort of laser or
laser-type weapon or another as their long range firepower. The only
exceptions I can think of are the Pak'Ma'Ra, Drazi and Vree who each have
their own specialised weapon systems. There is simply no weapon that is
better for long range firepower. It only makes logical sense for the Centauri
to utilise a good long range laser to complement their excellent sensor
suites." (Robert Glass)

"I have a wireframe of the Primus battlecruiser that clearly shows two long,
thin gun barrels under each wing. The laser emplacements on the Narn ships
are long and thin there by indicating that this a standard configuration for a
laser weapon. All pulse weapons are short and stubby. The only exception to
this rule is the Earth heavy laser. Even it, though is longer than their
SPBs. Minbari neutron lasers further point to long thin weapon systems being
laser-type weapons. The Narn stole most of their technology from the
Centauri. In some cases, they re-engineered them to something more to their
liking. Thus, the heavy laser from the battle laser." (Robert Glass)

"I have looked at the original drawings at the Babylonian Studios. On these
drawings the four laser barrels are clearly shown and called out. This, of
course, is the most overriding argument and was what I stated about them to
several people originally when this argument was first broached." (Robert
Glass)
 
Heh, and why they (and the EA) have beams at almost every PL, whilst the Minbari just manage to scrape one beam armed ship at Raid? Why no Torotha variants?
 
Well to be honest the only thing in the actual show to suggest lasers is:

The EA got lasers from the Narns during the EM war. G'Kar says in 'In the Beginning' that the weapons he's selling are salvaged Centauri ones.

QED
 
Vertexx69 said:
What i want to know is why they have beams with better range than the minbari.

That's a Mongoose revision (probably for balance). In B5W the Minbari had a longer effective range than Centauri with their lasers though not greatly so.
 
Locutus9956 said:
Well to be honest the only thing in the actual show to suggest lasers is:

The EA got lasers from the Narns during the EM war. G'Kar says in 'In the Beginning' that the weapons he's selling are salvaged Centauri ones.

QED

Though to be fair, they don't state what weapons those are. The EA getting Heavy Laser tech from the Narn was an AOG extrapolation of that scene though.

But the Primus' Lasers are as canon as the Warlock's Particle cannons. Both are there purely because the CG guys said the ships had them (In the later case, AOG had established that the Heavy Particle Cannon (as carried by the Defence Satellites around Earth) was not a system that could be mounted on mobile ships and the Warlock having not one but two opened up a whole can of worms...).

Neither of these we see fire in the show.
 
I thought we actually did see the Warlock fire its lasers in CTA? (in the big messy battle sequence at the end). Could be wrong, haven't watched it in a long long while.
 
Alexb83 said:
I thought we actually did see the Warlock fire its lasers in CTA? (in the big messy battle sequence at the end). Could be wrong, haven't watched it in a long long while.

I don't think it does - it just belches out missiles. If it did, there wouldn't have been the huge fuzziness over which turrets are railguns and which are Laser/Pulse Arrays which there was during the design process for the AOG ship.

The original "Ship of the Month" version is quite different from the revised version issued a few weeks later and from the eventual release version (which had a slightly downgraded armament after play testing - it lost the side batteries of Light Pulse Cannons).

Basically, the thing originally didn't have Lasers and none were mentioned by the CG designer, who just mentioned "Pulse turrets". However, it made a certain amout of sense on a top of the line ship to have the flexibility of the LPAs from the Nova on what was in effect (in the AOG system - this does not apply to ACtA...) a replacement for the Nova in the Dreadnought role and those arrived in the second SotM version.

But it categorically doesn't fire its Particle Cannons though :)
 
Garibaldi said:
Well, call me crazy but in that pic it looks to me as if the Narn ship is firing it's lasers at another target. I hate to argue but again, at no time in the series (and I consider the series the only "canon source"-except for JMS, of course!) do you see the Centauri using a laser. Here in my neck of the woods we are trying something different. It looks good but we have only had one playtest so far. I'll get authorization to release more info shortly! :)

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I don't recall any specific episodes where they did either, but an episode I was looking at recently mentioned that they used lasers as a "blasting rather than cutting" weapon which would obviously mean they must have hem in some form. I think it was a season 5 episode when the ISA were investigating attacks on League shipping.
 
Not sure off the top of my head but I'm pretty certain that they refered to energy weapons as opposed to lasers specifically....
 
Which is what Centauri ships tend to do in ACTA. Blast rather than cut. No precise on beams does that. :lol:
 
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