White Star fighters

[TGT]

In a tourney how many VPs when one is destroyed?

 

[Alexb83]

1VP per flight/wing, last I checked. Although in SFOS I think it's a certain no. of VP per wing (or part thereof).

 

[H]

same as with any other skirmish vessel

 

[Alexb83]

Ahh, thats' a good point - they're skirmish level. What Hiff said.

 

[Triggy]

And unless specified otherwise (e.g. in a tournament pack) WS Fighters that come from a mothership don't give away VPs.

 

[Reaverman]

And unless specified otherwise (e.g. in a tournament pack) WS Fighters that come from a mothership don't give away VPs.

Who said that?

Matt said fighters from CAPS award VP's, why cant White Star fighters

 

[TGT]

only if they blow up inside it, otherwise its 3VP's per fighter killed as they're a skirmish level asset

Also can dodge be used against hyperspace entry hits?

 

[Reaverman]

Also can dodge be used against hyperspace entry hits?

Yep

Keeping your fighters in your mothership, to deny any VP's can be a double edge sword!

 

[TGT]

that really hurts a WS Carrier!

I'd like to have that confirmed tomorrow before the tourney starts.
On another thread Matt has said 1 VP per fighter but wasn't specific about WS fighters (which are considerably nastier than any other flight)

and darn dodge rolls for JP hits!

cheers for the quick reply...someone else working late!

 

[lastbesthope]

Ahh, thats' a good point - they're skirmish level. What Hiff said.

No ALex, you had it right the first time, they are Skirmish level, but they are still aux craft and so score VP as such.

LBH

 

[Reborn]

I'm of two minds about this. They are auxilliary craft, but they do cost a Skirmish for 1.

But in the same way Nials are a Patrol for 1, and they aren't 3 VPs, so to be honest I'm inclined to agree with LBH.

 

[TGT]

poblem is they are so so powerful..maybe twice as powerful as a Nial!
maybe we should split the difference and make them 2VP's for fairness?
Its you tourney Reborn mate so you decide...no pressure!

 

[lastbesthope]

But in the same way Nials are a Patrol for 1, and they aren't 3 VPs, so to be honest I'm inclined to agree with LBH.

Especially since I agree with the rules :lol: , but like TGT says, it's your tourney.

LBH

 

[Reborn]

poblem is they are so so powerful..maybe twice as powerful as a Nial!
maybe we should split the difference and make them 2VP's for fairness?
Its you tourney Reborn mate so you decide...no pressure!

I was thinking about that, but I don't want to seem very arbitrary. I'll sleep on it.

 

[Commador Q]

the way i understand it a WS fighter bought as an independent wing grants victory points like any other skermish choice, but one from a WS carrier would grant the same VPs as any other destried auxilery craft that came in on a mothership of some sort (in SFoS that's 0 vps)

 

[Burger]

Aux craft are aux craft, no matter what thweir cost to buy. They are not ships. 1 VP per WS fighter.

 

[locarno24]

Remember as a counterbalance that if you're in something like Space Superiority or Annihalation they can't contest table quarters or count as surviving ships, so there's something of a counterbalance there if you spend a shedload of skirmish points on something that's valueless to you after the game ends...

 

[Burger]

Anyone who spends a skirmish point on a WS fighter needs their head read.

Unless its a campaign, the carrier got destroyed and the fighters are all that is left of your fleet... or unless its 4 point patrol against Shadows.

 

[Hash]

Aux craft are aux craft, no matter what thweir cost to buy. They are not ships. 1 VP per WS fighter.

Have to agree with Burger here - in a non-tourney game White Star fighters on carrier ships don't currently offer VPs at all! (according to SFoS).

Tourney rules have listed all aux craft as giving up 1VP each.

I appreciate it is a skirmish choice but there is precedent for the wierdness with aux flights and VPs - consider that wings, not flights, of other fighters are patrol choices so someone taking a Kotha wing for example offers 6VP potentially to the enemy, not just the amount of VP available for a patrol ship.

Bottom line - those VP lists in tourneys seem to be for ships not priority level "choices" as such, conversely the VPs given for all aux craft are quite clearly stated.

Of course my recent purchase of two WS Carriers and fighter compliment doesn't influence my judgement here in the slightest :twisted:

 

[Triggy]

Aux craft are aux craft, no matter what thweir cost to buy. They are not ships. 1 VP per WS fighter.

Have to agree with Burger here - in a non-tourney game White Star fighters on carrier ships don't currently offer VPs at all! (according to SFoS).

Tourney rules have listed all aux craft as giving up 1VP each.

I appreciate it is a skirmish choice but there is precedent for the wierdness with aux flights and VPs - consider that wings, not flights, of other fighters are patrol choices so someone taking a Kotha wing for example offers 6VP potentially to the enemy, not just the amount of VP available for a patrol ship.

Bottom line - those VP lists in tourneys seem to be for ships not priority level "choices" as such, conversely the VPs given for all aux craft are quite clearly stated.

Of course my recent purchase of two WS Carriers and fighter compliment doesn't influence my judgement here in the slightest :twisted:

This is it though, with all fighters giving away VPs it's the final nail in the coffin for carriers. As it is, most are borderline choices anyway but the ones that work well (e.g. Morshin and WS Carrier) are nerfed by the points system unless they annihilate their opponents in tourneys. The standard SFoS system means a little more keeping track of which fighters came from which ship but aside from that, they are much more balanced.