Tonights Game MEA V EFT (with pics)

[Mr Evil]

well tonights game was about exsperimenting with 2 new things

building and a T-72 (think type 99 stats)

as the T-72 was week the eft opted for 2 warriors (one was a proxy) as the chally maybe over kill

game finished on a stale mate and surrender by the british on the factory unit with 2 units of troope back to back either side of the wall.

many laughts were had throughout and abutony's mea managed to loose 3 guys and suffer a point of damage to a technical by end of game !!!

abu'tony V comander peterson was gonna be interesting as tony loves piles of infantry over anything and fell inlove witht he technicals by end of it and the T-70 was the luckiest tank to ever live !!!!! plus hes the most tacticle player ive ever m,et and always a challenge to play and great humour at the same time.

but what you lot realy prefer rather than this garble is pictures, so here are some i shot in the game, around 900 points perside.

feel free to ask questions

 

[katadder]

cool board, looked lots of fun.

 

[Mr Evil]

cheers we did learn a few things

more cover inside the building so your not so exsposed, but i feel thats part of the risk to gain a hieght advantage.

MEA tanks we used a T-99 as a basis for this minus a MG and +1" move seemed a fair swap, and fited the looks of the T-72, i think its hit and skill scores need to be lowered to somthing close to a warrior maybe but armour save incresed (reactive armour) this could be part in part of the tacticle skill of tony, but ti doese feel that a standard D10 should have a chance of killing a T-72 in one shot, unless its in cover, but at the same time i think there should be a little premuim extra cost for mea to have tanks as in thier hands there lethal with so many RPG's suporting the tanks

 

[boomgoose]

Always diggin' your battle pics, evil. Looked like fun.

 

[katadder]

personally i dont see the MEA having tanks anyway, not as easy to hide as AKs and RPGs, or as easy to convert as a hilux. tanks tend to be blown up by the air cover from more technological forces. how many tanks did the US/UK face in Iraq? not many and that was against an actual national army rather than the terrorists that the MEA basically are.

 

[Mr Evil]

mea are the middle eastern alliance.

reading about the T-72 and trying to figure rules for it at the mo.

a t72 can survuve a hit from a m1a1 from 2000 meters

a t 72 can kill a m1a1 from 1000 meters

so basicly the m1a1 is superiot in armour and gun by a degree.

in game terms we have the m1a2 so presumably the t-72 will be upgrades as well, keep in mind its budget tank of the ultramodern battle feild.

so take a Type 99

remove the coaxial machine gun

increase the speed by 1"

still not a budget tanks yet.

it has reactive armour as well so maybe a 1+ armour save from the front, as most weapons capable of hurting a tank also have a negative modifier any way.

to counter this and show it as a true budget tank drop a point of damage so it only ignors the first 2 failed armour rolls.

these changes i feel drop it down to about 280 points. maybe less looking at the warrior

any ideas ?

 

[katadder]

yes they are the middle eastern alliance but still would have their asses handed to them in the air leaving their tanks out to dry, hence having to use the hilux and other civilian modded vehicles to do the job.

 

[Hiromoon]

Actually Mr. Evil, the basic M1 was scoring kills in one hit against T-72s while mobile at extreme ranges....

 

[Mr Evil]

Actually Mr. Evil, the basic M1 was scoring kills in one hit against T-72s while mobile at extreme ranges....

i know but i was going by data from when the m1a1 used the 105mm gun (think thats right) so not in the same catagory to what we see now, but by extrapulation both the m1A1 and t-72 have improved since then, and the ones used in iraq were by all acounts the most basic of basic modles of the T-72 without evan the use of the reactive armour upgrade and single layer turrets rather then tripple as used by their nabours.

iraq was a crippled kid america and the uk picked on, and it didnt stand a chance no matter how much boasting it did. so is a bad example of the tanks comparability.

either way what you recon for the modifications to bring the T-99 down to a t-72 budget tank level.

 

[Mr Evil]

ahh quik look around and found this

The T-72 has better armor protection than the T-62, due to the use of layered armor and other features discussed above under T-64 capabilities. The advanced passive armour package of the T-72M and T-72M1 can sustain direct hits from the 105mm gun equipped M1 Abrams at up to 2,000 meter range. The later T-72Ms and T-72M1s are equipped with laser rangefinders ensuring high hit probabilities at ranges of 2,000 meters and below. The turret has conventional cast armor with a maximum thickness of 280-mm, the nose is about 80-mm thick and the glacis is 200-mm thick laminate armor. Besides the PAZ radiation detection system, the T-72 has an antiradiation liner (except on export models) and a collective NBC filtration and overpressure system.

like i said the ones seen in iraq were the budget budget budget versions that arnt evan avaialable any more.

 

[Hiromoon]

Small note there, Evil:

advanced passive armour package

Has the T-72M actually seen combat against an Abrams?

 

[Mr Evil]

im talkin rules and advancments

dont use iraq as an example they had the lowest end modle available and striped out to sell spare parts to iran to help pay for the tanks.ie no fire control computers for example.

 

[EmperorNortonII]

I think we're assuming here that the MEA= the PLO and Iraqi insurgents- which isn't all of it. Egyptian and Saudi Arabian forces use decent American equipment- and Turkey right now is one of the biggest contributers to JSF pat the US and UK.

 

[Mr Evil]

not sure but there are 3 recoded incedents of M1A1's destroyed by T-72s on the iran border, reported by spanish reporters, images are availabe on net, but its apparently unlawful to show them, due to military doobagiggys.

as for iraq versions of the T-72 def not, they dont have fire control computers or anti armour rounds they were equiped with HE rounds instead with had zero effect on modern tanks bar the possability of blowing a track.

 

[Mr Evil]

any way its not about the M1A1 its about working on rules for the T-72 in bf evo in 2025-2030 with upgrades

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

personally i dont see the MEA having tanks anyway, not as easy to hide as AKs and RPGs, or as easy to convert as a hilux. tanks tend to be blown up by the air cover from more technological forces. how many tanks did the US/UK face in Iraq? not many and that was against an actual national army rather than the terrorists that the MEA basically are.

the MEA represents an actual alliance of Middle Eastern governments, and will have regular army forces alongside the more militia/insurgent models we've seen to date. The Army list will allow for militia and government forces.

 

[Mr Evil]

have to say it did feel right having the t-72 on the table.

still not sure if it should be as killable as a warrior or a type 99 though.

 

[Hiromoon]

Wow..you'd think that'd be all over the internet.... given that everything that's come through the CAA hasn't even hinted to anything of the sort, and I know that THAT sort of thing would certainly have caused a stir amongst the analysts.....

And yeah, in the future? You're assuming the technology gap between them is going to shrink that drastically? The T-72 upgraded to be the equivalent to the Type 99, a contender for one of those vaunted 'Best Tank of the World' slots would be like slapping doo-dads and gadgets onto a Huey and making it equivallent of, oh, the Longbow Apache or the Tigre HAP.... Why not do what Iran's done and actually come up with their own locally developed and built tank?

 

[Mr Evil]

have you read the modifications i did ?

its less damage resistant thean a type 99
it has less fire power thana type 99 ?

its definatly out classed by the type 99.

ok il try exsplain again

type 99 stats

+1 move
minus the coax MG

minus 1 point of damage

minus 1 to kill rating

1+ front armour save due to reactive armour sides remain the same as the type 99.

definatly easier to kill than a type 99, but has a bit more survivability V rpg rounds than a type 99 from the front only.

make it any worse and its weaker than a technical lol.

im talking game terms here of course, but with upgrades the T-72 could go this way.

 

[Hiromoon]

Sorry, I wanted to put that reply earlier but I got destracted...