Tempters?
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Substitute any other Perform check. Maybe he ensnares them with the hypnotic melody of his pipes - Perform (pipes). Or he lulls them with his powerfull voice and the recital of an epic poem - Perform (oratory) or Perform (poetry).
Or heck, maybe you just give him max ranks in Perform (James Bond Impersonator) and send him off to woo the ladies :roll:
Or heck, maybe you just give him max ranks in Perform (James Bond Impersonator) and send him off to woo the ladies :roll:
Sarov the Swift
Mongoose
Sgt Zim said:
Why not? Maybe he could be a Zingarian Flamenco dance. Just give him a few ranks in Perform: Castanette.
Yes, my opinion is worth more than yours. Trust me.
Wrong. Right here, right now my opinion wins.
So:
1) Stop with the 'tempter = gay' shit please.
2) Unless your name is Conan Properties International LLC it is not your place to 'defend' the works of Robert E. Howard. In fact, seeing as an individual's game is not even vaguely canonical it isn't even their job to tell Conan GMs that they're 'doing it wrong'.
I'll say it here for everyone to hear: there is no wrong way to play Conan.
- Chris
Wrong. Right here, right now my opinion wins.
So:
1) Stop with the 'tempter = gay' shit please.
2) Unless your name is Conan Properties International LLC it is not your place to 'defend' the works of Robert E. Howard. In fact, seeing as an individual's game is not even vaguely canonical it isn't even their job to tell Conan GMs that they're 'doing it wrong'.
I'll say it here for everyone to hear: there is no wrong way to play Conan.
- Chris
The point of the character was actually to be in a position to exert influence over major female figures -- think of someone influencing/seducing the Devi Yasmeena.
Is it meant to be an influence on the PCs? Not really -- its more of an recurring NPC that I preferred to stat out as someone who preys upon women in a similar way in which the temptress preys upon the men. Although not terribly explicit in the H:Fallen book, it does allow for the possibility of a tempter.
The rationale can be see as thus - second sons do not often inherit much beyond their arms and horse -- if Nemedia is as feudal as the fluff text suggests, this would be a very possible case. War kills male nobles -leaving them with grieving or not so grieving widows. Second sons might take the tempter class to find these recently widowed nobles or wives of rich merchants and seduce them.
The noble class is seen in Howard's stories as very often useless parasites that find luxury on the backs of the poor. I'm simply taking it one step further.
As for Spectator's opinion - - well, I'm not 'tempted' to respond other than to wonder whether or not you only set your games in REH approved situations and only game out the canon stories? Otherwise, you've only seen one iota of the Hyborian world, and for the most part only glimpsed the world of the nobility.
Y'all have your opinions. I thank you for feedback.
Is it meant to be an influence on the PCs? Not really -- its more of an recurring NPC that I preferred to stat out as someone who preys upon women in a similar way in which the temptress preys upon the men. Although not terribly explicit in the H:Fallen book, it does allow for the possibility of a tempter.
The rationale can be see as thus - second sons do not often inherit much beyond their arms and horse -- if Nemedia is as feudal as the fluff text suggests, this would be a very possible case. War kills male nobles -leaving them with grieving or not so grieving widows. Second sons might take the tempter class to find these recently widowed nobles or wives of rich merchants and seduce them.
The noble class is seen in Howard's stories as very often useless parasites that find luxury on the backs of the poor. I'm simply taking it one step further.
As for Spectator's opinion - - well, I'm not 'tempted' to respond other than to wonder whether or not you only set your games in REH approved situations and only game out the canon stories? Otherwise, you've only seen one iota of the Hyborian world, and for the most part only glimpsed the world of the nobility.
Y'all have your opinions. I thank you for feedback.
Jeffreywns
Mongoose
I recall a pastiche about the "Land of sad Queens" or something to that effect. Khauran or Khoraja I believe where a necromatic glamor spell was used for the same effect. And I've already made one for a (male) player character that is immune to womanly wiles, and I'm looking foreward to the corruption feats that go along with the build. The Tempter/Temptress class has the ability to affect the same sex built in the rules. That and we are 40+ years old and dont giggle over all the lesbian game mechanics. I saw the dance as "blatant body language" etc.,so one going for rich women might do the same.
Yeah, but that's because the stories were all about Conan and the Temptresses were there to be a foil for him. I have absoluetly no problem envisioning a Hyborian age "Tempter". A bronze age version of a bishi-boy who whispers in the queen's ear while the king is off at war, causing all sorts of trouble and corruption for the kingdom...Spectator said:
... right up until the players kick in the door and split his head open with and axe! :twisted:
FailedSpotCheck
Mongoose
Question: Isn't tempter kinda unusual for this genre? :?
We usually read about a femme fatale not an homme fatal (sp?) :wink:
The women do the sexy seduction stuff and the dudes get seduced.
I guess a person could give it a try, kinda like an Hyborian Rico Suave! :lol:
We usually read about a femme fatale not an homme fatal (sp?) :wink:
The women do the sexy seduction stuff and the dudes get seduced.
I guess a person could give it a try, kinda like an Hyborian Rico Suave! :lol:
Jeffreywns
Mongoose
Keeping in mind when REH wrote the stories that used a female as the "Temptress", todays RP groups include women, males playing women, etc., and I didnt think of this myself as an adversary to throw at the players. Hate to admit it but I fell into a "rescue the helpless maiden" or "you get brained by the warrior maiden" rut. Add in the feats that cause corruption to the victims and a nasty, decadent encounter can take out a PC from the group without a blade being drawn. That is until the rest of the party saves the day (normaly with blades drawn) and gets chased out of town for "attacking/murdering a citizen of high standing. I like the new class.
FailedSpotCheck said:
My NPC is more like "Hyborian Dirty Rotten Scoundrels". Though the image of a Hyborian Rico Suave nearly made me spit water all over my laptop...
The Hyborian world is seen through the eyes of a few heroic men - Conan, Almaric (you could throw Kull in there and it doesn't change much) -- but its been pointed out that women, and men gaming female characters, sit at the Conan table now. My wife is an 8th level pirate in a solo game (who is currently fending off the advances of a very popular former Messantian gladiator), and a barbarian in another game -- so the temptress class isn't going to have a huge impact. If one can accept the existence of Belit and Valeria, then you have to allow for the possibility of those that will prey on them...
Clovenhoof
Mongoose
Jeffreywns
Mongoose
Thanks for reminding me this is about a game and having fun!
tarkhan bey
Mongoose
Zim,I dont know if I have got the wrong end of the stick here, but, I reckon that the Dance of Desire ability to be eminently suitable to a male character intending to influence high born ladies.
Henry Viii was renowned as a dancer and the ability to dance has been traditionally valued highly in courtly and in ritual situations.
Dancing is often part of courtship ritual, even to this day. Think of the effect that a certain King from Memphis( Tenessee, not Egypt) had upon women due to his gyrating lower half. If thats not a tempter with Dance of Desire then I am a monkey's uncle
Tom Jones and......PRINCE!!!! :shock: Do you think women would have considered the rather short chap with a penchant for ladies footwear to be sexy, had he not the ability to be funky? :lol:
The ability to dance has long been considered a desirable attribute in a man. Certain studies have shown that women link the rythmic ability to dance with performance in the horizontal disco, albeit subconsciously.
I am now off to discuss this theory with my wife now, who will probably just say " Yes Dear,whatever you think".
Henry Viii was renowned as a dancer and the ability to dance has been traditionally valued highly in courtly and in ritual situations.
Dancing is often part of courtship ritual, even to this day. Think of the effect that a certain King from Memphis( Tenessee, not Egypt) had upon women due to his gyrating lower half. If thats not a tempter with Dance of Desire then I am a monkey's uncle
Tom Jones and......PRINCE!!!! :shock: Do you think women would have considered the rather short chap with a penchant for ladies footwear to be sexy, had he not the ability to be funky? :lol:
The ability to dance has long been considered a desirable attribute in a man. Certain studies have shown that women link the rythmic ability to dance with performance in the horizontal disco, albeit subconsciously.
I am now off to discuss this theory with my wife now, who will probably just say " Yes Dear,whatever you think".
FailedSpotCheck
Mongoose
Sgt Zim said:
ROTFLMAO! :lol:
Oh my god, that movie was so sick it rocked!
Yeah, I agree those guys were definitely tempters, but no so much Hyborian! :wink:
Supplement Four
Mongoose
This thread is over 3 years old, but I still felt compelled to add my two coppers. :wink:
THREAD RESURRECTION, BABY!
I see Temptresses as any type of female character that can manuipulate other people behind the scenes. Sometimes they use their sex. Sometimes they use their natural charisma. Lady MacBeth is a Temptress. Lady Regan Hamleigh in the recent Pillars of the Earth miniseries is a Temptress, tempting her son as she would bid. Olympias, in the film Alexander, was a Temptress.
I can also see men playing the role. Anytime there is a Machiavellian-type character, he would be a Tempter class. Grima Wormtongue, in The Two Towers seems to be a Scholar/Tempter multi-class.
An example of another male Tempter may be a priest. But, a priest may be a Scholar or a Tempter (or a multiclass of the two), using the power of faith his believers have put in him to manipulate them into doing his bidding. The cult leader with fanatical followers is a Temptor class.
THREAD RESURRECTION, BABY!
I see Temptresses as any type of female character that can manuipulate other people behind the scenes. Sometimes they use their sex. Sometimes they use their natural charisma. Lady MacBeth is a Temptress. Lady Regan Hamleigh in the recent Pillars of the Earth miniseries is a Temptress, tempting her son as she would bid. Olympias, in the film Alexander, was a Temptress.
I can also see men playing the role. Anytime there is a Machiavellian-type character, he would be a Tempter class. Grima Wormtongue, in The Two Towers seems to be a Scholar/Tempter multi-class.
An example of another male Tempter may be a priest. But, a priest may be a Scholar or a Tempter (or a multiclass of the two), using the power of faith his believers have put in him to manipulate them into doing his bidding. The cult leader with fanatical followers is a Temptor class.
