Stealth rolls

[skavendan]

Do you do a roll per ship or weapon system? As it is abit unclear and I wish to clarify it.

 

[LaranosTZ]

Per ship.

 

[Burger]

Each attacking ship rolls per target, just as the rules say

 

[Marco Raimeous]

I know the rules don't work this way but wouldn't it make more sense that a ship would not shoot at what it cannot see? Point is that the weapon used to shoot at the undetected vescle is now wasted.

For instance, if I can't see a one Minbari ship but can see another, I would shoot at the one I can see and not waste a weapon shooting at empty space?

So in game application, a ship could role for all ships with stealth it can shoot at and can only shoot at the ones it sees, thus not wasting weapons fire.

I don't think I really explained it very well but hopefully you get thte idea

 

[l33tpenguin]

I know the rules don't work this way but wouldn't it make more sense that a ship would not shoot at what it cannot see? Point is that the weapon used to shoot at the undetected vescle is now wasted.

For instance, if I can't see a one Minbari ship but can see another, I would shoot at the one I can see and not waste a weapon shooting at empty space?

So in game application, a ship could role for all ships with stealth it can shoot at and can only shoot at the ones it sees, thus not wasting weapons fire.

I don't think I really explained it very well but hopefully you get thte idea

I'd rather see it as a roll per AD against stealth. You know there is something out there, so you shoot 'at' it. Some attacks land, some don't. I don't like the all or none of it. I could rake a beam weapon across an area of space where I know something is and I might clip it in doing so.

Yes, this is a lot of dice rolling, but hey, its better than 'oh gosh! we fired at nothing!'

 

[LaranosTZ]

I would just like it per-weapon system.

 

[l33tpenguin]

I would just like it per-weapon system.

I read what I wrote and realized it argued its own argument... regardless, per weapon system would prolly be better...

 

[Burger]

I know the rules don't work this way but wouldn't it make more sense that a ship would not shoot at what it cannot see?

The stealth systems don't work like that. It's not that you "can't see" the target. It's that you think you can see the target, somewhere else. So you fire your weapons at an empty piece of space.

Unless they're slow loading, in which case you somehow magically manage to reload them by next turn.

 

[KennyBoy]

If ships got to roll per weapon system, the Minbari would get humped a lot more times than not! They have Stealth as their main defense because, on the whole, they are pretty fragile... being seen by even a second (or even a third in some cases) weapon system can be disasterous! 8)

 

[Burger]

If ships got to roll per weapon system, the Minbari would get humped a lot more times than not! They have Stealth as their main defense because, on the whole, they are pretty fragile... being seen by even a second (or even a third in some cases) weapon system can be disasterous! 8)

Well it wouldn't actually make any difference... each weapon would still have the same chances of making or failing the stealth roll. So the average damage you take, would be the same. Only difference would be, you'd get a lower standard deviation, meaning you'd get closer to the average. Less "all or nothing" than currently.

 

[KennyBoy]

It would increase the number of opportunitys that a ship has to see/target the Minbari, which increases the chances of +1 for being seen = more chance of subsequent ships/weapon systems being able to see the poor boneheads! 8)

 

[Da Boss]

They have Stealth as their main defense because, on the whole, they are pretty fragile... being seen by even a second (or even a third in some cases) weapon system can be disasterous! 8)

yep

Although every Minbari commanders favourite the Ashinta is not fragile........

 

[Burger]

It would increase the number of opportunitys that a ship has to see/target the Minbari, which increases the chances of +1 for being seen = more chance of subsequent ships/weapon systems being able to see the poor boneheads! 8)

Oh yeah, good point, didn't think of that

 

[skavendan]

Yup as I thought was just abit of a debate on while gaming. Just thought I would verify because if you want to be pedantic it's not worded great in the rules.

 

[akenatum]

Honestly i think per weapon system, while giving that extra plus 1 bonus to later attempts, should be fine... the only suggestions would be make the roll for each weapon system on a ship before any of that's ships weapons fire...

while still being the same for the first ship regarding the roll needed this helps later things which kind of needs to be don anyway, stealth is just a little too powerfull espically when you all stop and nuke stuff till they come close.

 

[Burger]

while still being the same for the first ship regarding the roll needed this helps later things which kind of needs to be don anyway, stealth is just a little too powerfull espically when you all stop and nuke stuff till they come close.

Stealth seems too powerful, when you're new to the game. As you get experienced, it becomes much less of a problem.

Usually when I fight Hash, my Sharlin starts at 5+, goes down to 4+ because he is Shadows, down to 3+ because he can easily get within 8", down to 2+ because he has lots of scouts, and down to "automatic pass" once one of his scouts has hit me. Tell me that is too powerful? What can I do to prevent him doing that?

 

[akenatum]

while still being the same for the first ship regarding the roll needed this helps later things which kind of needs to be don anyway, stealth is just a little too powerfull espically when you all stop and nuke stuff till they come close.

Stealth seems too powerful, when you're new to the game. As you get experienced, it becomes much less of a problem.

Usually when I fight Hash, my Sharlin starts at 5+, goes down to 4+ because he is Shadows, down to 3+ because he can easily get within 8", down to 2+ because he has lots of scouts, and down to "automatic pass" once one of his scouts has hit me. Tell me that is too powerful? What can I do to prevent him doing that?

5 games undefeted with my 5 sharlin varient fleet... and only in one of those games with the odds against me did I even get close to lossing one of my ships....

regarding shadows it might have been dumb luck but i frequently managed to get physical disruption on them espically the much smaller ships, if not outright fry them with my salvos, and the nail hordes tend to mop them up fast too... spose i just haven't had the right kind of fights yet, but it still seems a little strong... at least regarding the minbari and some of the firepower there..

 

[Burger]

Well if you're fighting at 5pt War, you do have an advantage. Minbari like high PLs. Also depends on your opponents.

But then, so do Shadows... I get the feeling 20 Shadow Scouts would totally own your 5 Sharlins.

 

[katadder]

think 20 WSs would too.
once you get past the stealth sharlins are fairly vunerable, they only have the damage of a battle level ship in most other fleets but they have a 33% threshold for cripple/skeleton whereas most other fleets are 25% or lower.

 

[mollari_uk]

5 games undefeted with my 5 sharlin varient fleet... and only in one of those games with the odds against me did I even get close to lossing one of my ships....

regarding shadows it might have been dumb luck but i frequently managed to get physical disruption on them espically the much smaller ships, if not outright fry them with my salvos, and the nail hordes tend to mop them up fast too... spose i just haven't had the right kind of fights yet, but it still seems a little strong... at least regarding the minbari and some of the firepower there..

Shadow scouts have stealth 5+ too. So your victory against them has no relation to stealth being too good. With their ancient +1 and scout ability they easily have the advantage against you in this regard so it seems your success is due to something else.