MaxSteiner
Mongoose
MSprange said:
Just saw this on Frothers.
My only question is, whats going to be replacing the unit stats in the main rulebook?
SST:Evo rulebook
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Just saw this on Frothers.
My only question is, whats going to be replacing the unit stats in the main rulebook?
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
:? Yeesh... I suppose there still enough time to make some noises and hope some of them are picked up on the :lol:
It could be a really big seller if done right, maybe even becoming one of those books you dust of your shelves 15 years down the line and just flick through, but for that to happen they've really gotta push the boat out...
It could be a really big seller if done right, maybe even becoming one of those books you dust of your shelves 15 years down the line and just flick through, but for that to happen they've really gotta push the boat out...
Gauntlet-
Banded Mongoose
I dunno not having the unit stats on the book means the book will hopefully not need to be reprinted...
thats assuming none of the basic rules need to be errata-ed
No wait this is a pipe dream... and it would be best for all unit stats to be in the new book, so that all of the errata refers to only one source...
Sigh.
I want hardcover, all units, all rules, little to no fluff if they need the space..
ill take the soft cover, thats a small thing... but no unit stats...
thats assuming none of the basic rules need to be errata-ed
No wait this is a pipe dream... and it would be best for all unit stats to be in the new book, so that all of the errata refers to only one source...
Sigh.
I want hardcover, all units, all rules, little to no fluff if they need the space..
ill take the soft cover, thats a small thing... but no unit stats...
frankly, that may be the only thing that really doesnt bother me at all.
it may be caused by long GW exposure, but for me rulebook is for rules,and "something else" is for army lists etc. it also means that i can print out the lists etc. and carry it around instead of lugging around a whole book. it also makes updates easier-simply upload a new stats-sheet on the page, and put a info about it. since almost anyone have web acces one way or another(if they don't have broadband in home, there's always a multitude of web-cafe's etc.), it wouldn't be a problem either.it also means that i get my stats before the book is out*i hope that the stats will be put on-line with the EVO premier in April,not when the book is released*
it may be caused by long GW exposure, but for me rulebook is for rules,and "something else" is for army lists etc. it also means that i can print out the lists etc. and carry it around instead of lugging around a whole book. it also makes updates easier-simply upload a new stats-sheet on the page, and put a info about it. since almost anyone have web acces one way or another(if they don't have broadband in home, there's always a multitude of web-cafe's etc.), it wouldn't be a problem either.it also means that i get my stats before the book is out*i hope that the stats will be put on-line with the EVO premier in April,not when the book is released*
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
I don't know there, if Mongoose is gonna be shoehorning a race into SST, I wana see the fluff! (If for no other reason than seeing some of the Forth claims baked up lol). Fluff at the very least serve helps add another reading to the rules (I.E read it once for the rules, and again for the fluff).
If its just gonna be a reprint of the rules, and thats it, I don't see the need to buy the book (Since from what I've heared here I most likly wont be using the new rules), and I'd honestly think Mongoose are selling themselves short.
SST is without a doubt one of the best rulesets I've ever used, and by now words spread to the point where even people who'd never touch a mongoose minaiture might pick up the rules, if its just an 80 page reprint of the new 5 page rules though, with the mission matrix stuck back to fleshi it out a bit it might not make such a splash.
If its just gonna be a reprint of the rules, and thats it, I don't see the need to buy the book (Since from what I've heared here I most likly wont be using the new rules), and I'd honestly think Mongoose are selling themselves short.
SST is without a doubt one of the best rulesets I've ever used, and by now words spread to the point where even people who'd never touch a mongoose minaiture might pick up the rules, if its just an 80 page reprint of the new 5 page rules though, with the mission matrix stuck back to fleshi it out a bit it might not make such a splash.
You can see with the rule book book and army book that it was lacking, so how about they create a forum for dedicated members to help create a vision. Have a vote/contribute/fan fiction thing going on.
I personally think that the pages in the rule book were too white, the text was to microsoft word, and there was no grit. Sure there was informatoin about the races and history, but most cut and pasted from the rpg book. It should be darker. The MI should have more of a feel of being slowly enroiached and pushed back over their history, but still be gung ho and propaganda fascist about it, with more cover ups. It would be a stark contrast to 40K where 'we are doomed but too afraid not to kill ourselves in case they kill our families', and the actualy standard human military have a pair of balls, unlike the imperial guard. You read the novels and they just peg it after something bad happens.
The arachnids should be more dark and sinister with a hidden intelligence and emnity towards humans, like the brain bug controlled humans talking in Starship troopers 2 (Iknow, *sigh*, I am referring to the sequel...). I feel that the CGI ones were more like this too. Hell, maybe they could even have an exclusive brain bug controlled symbiote race who do their bidding (kind of like Drahk and their keepres in babylon 5).
With skinnies, make them more aggro and alien. MGP already went out there with making the elite guard units look like predators with the dread and armour, I say keep th pulp sci fi stuff but make the faces morescary visious ugly and give them more evil and dark paint jobs. Might as well finish the job and turn them into hard asses like predators, but aggressive in a sort of klingong way. Maybe create a new unit of guard from a brute world, bulkier and tougher, with big miinies, like balck orcs
rcs as brute guard:guard.
From what I have heard about some races planned, like one that is like the strogg and the other like psychics, they could all be made dark, but not in a gothic 40K way, but a WW2 where verything goes to hell way but people keep trying for their own sake, not the 40K 'you're a heretic if you don't' way.
I personally think that the pages in the rule book were too white, the text was to microsoft word, and there was no grit. Sure there was informatoin about the races and history, but most cut and pasted from the rpg book. It should be darker. The MI should have more of a feel of being slowly enroiached and pushed back over their history, but still be gung ho and propaganda fascist about it, with more cover ups. It would be a stark contrast to 40K where 'we are doomed but too afraid not to kill ourselves in case they kill our families', and the actualy standard human military have a pair of balls, unlike the imperial guard. You read the novels and they just peg it after something bad happens.
The arachnids should be more dark and sinister with a hidden intelligence and emnity towards humans, like the brain bug controlled humans talking in Starship troopers 2 (Iknow, *sigh*, I am referring to the sequel...). I feel that the CGI ones were more like this too. Hell, maybe they could even have an exclusive brain bug controlled symbiote race who do their bidding (kind of like Drahk and their keepres in babylon 5).
With skinnies, make them more aggro and alien. MGP already went out there with making the elite guard units look like predators with the dread and armour, I say keep th pulp sci fi stuff but make the faces morescary visious ugly and give them more evil and dark paint jobs. Might as well finish the job and turn them into hard asses like predators, but aggressive in a sort of klingong way. Maybe create a new unit of guard from a brute world, bulkier and tougher, with big miinies, like balck orcs
rcs as brute guard:guard.From what I have heard about some races planned, like one that is like the strogg and the other like psychics, they could all be made dark, but not in a gothic 40K way, but a WW2 where verything goes to hell way but people keep trying for their own sake, not the 40K 'you're a heretic if you don't' way.
MaxSteiner said:
80 page reprint of the new 5 page rules with examples, diagrams, advanced rules(including artirelly, air force etc. Check out BF:Evo downloads. Preview of rulebook there. Should give you nice idea of what is to be expected), scenarios, possibly mission matrix, campaign.
I don't know about you but I think those scenarios, advanced rules and so on are worth it.
Surely the whole point of the rulebook was to include all the stats, rules etc.
If it doesn't fit, just make it bigger! Or are we working to a page limit here?
If everything is going to be done off cards, why not release a card folder containing all the units. Or at least do your Pdf in a format which is friendly to making your own.
If it doesn't fit, just make it bigger! Or are we working to a page limit here?
If everything is going to be done off cards, why not release a card folder containing all the units. Or at least do your Pdf in a format which is friendly to making your own.
Alexb83 said:
Well apart from possible limits is it that bad if the stats are available on free PDF? Albeit I would rather prefer separate army list book than printable PDF(both optimal) but I for one don't like having one BIG book with all in it. Makes it clumsy to check unit stats from one heck of a big book...I need unit stats more often than rules so if I can have unit stats separate to rules I'm happy.
And if it allows them to fit in more interesting things into the rulebook to the space left over even better
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
But the Advanced rules seem to be all the rules they've taken out of the rules to fit them into 5 pages... And 80 odd pages in hardback seems crazy to me.
Im trying to remain optimistic, but it sounds like Mongoose has given up on fluff, has decided that giving the army lists in the book is a bad idea for whatever reason, and is just gonna be stretching what they already have over the page count.
The big selling point of this book at the start was that it would have the complete stats etc for all the races, all the new improved background which we were told was a massive improvement over the old stuff, and it would bring it mroe in line with the older rules for those of us who want a little more depth. Now mongoose seems to have back tracked somewhat...
You'd rather have a pile of cards and print outs then a book with it all in? I think Im just a bit wierd but I'd rather have a complete book with a proper index and contents, but I agree with you 110% with the filling it up of interesting stuff!
sorry to take it a bit OT,but Mage-
NON POSSUMUS!
taking the SST the way of 40k with making it "darker" is wrong imo. there is a point after which darkness turns into a parody of itself, and 40k i way over that point. keep SST hard sf,it's what really sold me on the game.
on the MI-don't make them on eternal defensive. it's boring and cliche. make them agressive, pushing further the boundaries of Federal Space. heck, you could make the Second Road to Victory a focal point for the entire Evo game,and later add on more campaign books. there is nothing like living, evolving story to keep the gamers intrested. campaigns where the results really matter, unlike the lamented EOT campaign etc.
Bugs-uhm..dunno, there is nothing bad with them at the moment. maybe emphasise a bit more on the size of their empire, showing that they not only fight the oomans, but also expand on the other regions of space.
Skinnies- minis aside(don't know how they will be remade), they are quite okay, i'd add an even more bizantine layer to their society and their politics. not "Wizard style cryptic and mystic", but to show that humans have hard time negotiating with the skinnies, due to the number of in-fighting factions,political situation so complicate that it seems like running the Hegemony is a feat in itself...
NON POSSUMUS!
taking the SST the way of 40k with making it "darker" is wrong imo. there is a point after which darkness turns into a parody of itself, and 40k i way over that point. keep SST hard sf,it's what really sold me on the game.
on the MI-don't make them on eternal defensive. it's boring and cliche. make them agressive, pushing further the boundaries of Federal Space. heck, you could make the Second Road to Victory a focal point for the entire Evo game,and later add on more campaign books. there is nothing like living, evolving story to keep the gamers intrested. campaigns where the results really matter, unlike the lamented EOT campaign etc.
Bugs-uhm..dunno, there is nothing bad with them at the moment. maybe emphasise a bit more on the size of their empire, showing that they not only fight the oomans, but also expand on the other regions of space.
Skinnies- minis aside(don't know how they will be remade), they are quite okay, i'd add an even more bizantine layer to their society and their politics. not "Wizard style cryptic and mystic", but to show that humans have hard time negotiating with the skinnies, due to the number of in-fighting factions,political situation so complicate that it seems like running the Hegemony is a feat in itself...
Well, it doesn't look like MI is all defensive to me.
MI launches attacks, so do bugs and skinnies.
MI looses planets, so do bugs and skinnies.
It's some kind of give and take, battles gonna be hard and no side is willing to give an inch of terrain.
Humans have seen that something like the Road of Victory doesn't make any sense against enemies like bugs. It's better to consolidate boarders and aim for a slow advance, before you face another disaster like Kledathu.
The fact that Bugs can habitat on almost any world - most of them completely useless to human settlers - makes this hob even more difficult.
So some thing of campaign could be launched against the skinnies (but it also doesn't seem to make any sense, cause you can't really get these vagabonds by conquering a few worlds) or - at best - against this new enemy in their strange fighting machines.
Beat them down before they can get another major power might be the thought of SICON her.
And after all we are still waiting for a major counterstrike from the Bugs against the Federation who has caused them so much trouble.
MI launches attacks, so do bugs and skinnies.
MI looses planets, so do bugs and skinnies.
It's some kind of give and take, battles gonna be hard and no side is willing to give an inch of terrain.
Humans have seen that something like the Road of Victory doesn't make any sense against enemies like bugs. It's better to consolidate boarders and aim for a slow advance, before you face another disaster like Kledathu.
The fact that Bugs can habitat on almost any world - most of them completely useless to human settlers - makes this hob even more difficult.
So some thing of campaign could be launched against the skinnies (but it also doesn't seem to make any sense, cause you can't really get these vagabonds by conquering a few worlds) or - at best - against this new enemy in their strange fighting machines.
Beat them down before they can get another major power might be the thought of SICON her.
And after all we are still waiting for a major counterstrike from the Bugs against the Federation who has caused them so much trouble.
MaxSteiner said:You'd rather have a pile of cards and print outs then a book with it all in? I think Im just a bit wierd but I'd rather have a complete book with a proper index and contents, but I agree with you 110% with the filling it up of interesting stuff!
I would rather have 2 books. One for rules and one for army lists. That way I don't have to constantly skip over rules section when I want to check the stats.
If that is not possible then I have no problems with splitting the unit stats separate.
This comes from my experience with Epic Armageddon. The unit stats while nicely organised take so small part of the rulebook that everytime I have to search for unit stats I need to spend some time just trying to locate right page to begin with...So I end up with several pages there as bookmarks to begin with...Might just as well then have printouts for unit stats...
Soulmage
Mongoose
I agree that some fluff would be nice, even just a few pages of "race overview" section for each, plus maybe a few sentances or a paragraph for each unit.
I do agree, Earth on the defensive is overdone. I think instead of a 40k style model, the model should be the Colonial Marines from Aliens. Hard-asses that are used to going out, kicking ass, and although they are only human like the rest of us, are utterly confident of their ability to do so. . . its just occasionally it doesn't work out for them! LOL!!
I do agree, Earth on the defensive is overdone. I think instead of a 40k style model, the model should be the Colonial Marines from Aliens. Hard-asses that are used to going out, kicking ass, and although they are only human like the rest of us, are utterly confident of their ability to do so. . . its just occasionally it doesn't work out for them! LOL!!
shakespear
Mongoose
Release date?
