Guys, What you all are forgetting is THANK GOD these guys arn't GREED WORKSHOP. Look at the price comparison on average 10 GW SM for around $25 or 8 ST for $15. What the Hell are you all bitching about? It's a game designed BY gamers FOR gamers, and NOT to SCREW us. Thats why Andy left GW. I agree that card stuff and counters could be downloaded but lets be honest they don't take that much room anyway. Lets wait and see.
Me I already ordered my set from www.thewarstore.com the
Ive been gaming since those sets didnt exist. They started off £10 for ten marines - half the cost of the metal. Over the years it went up by 50%.
Its people buying on impulse masses of box sets that basically handed it too workshop on a platter (notice ogre gnoblars are £18 a box? they work out the same cost as goblins if you spend £120...). What your getting is GW prices before the gamers gave them money printing ability.
Andy got sacked, not fired. Rightly so IMHO (covert all your marines to carry toothpicks - they now have CCW. Give the others chainsaws. They have CCW), but enough of the workshop bashing.
The card building could have been printed on the back of the lid. anyone who wanted it could have cut it out.
I'm a student and I don't have much money. I work a few jobs to help pay for school and I'm covered in loans. After graduation I'm gearing up for law school. That's another expense. 50 GBP is a lot of money to pay for what comes in the boxed game. I realize this is "only" $74.95 USD but I think that's too much for a boxed game too. I liked it when boxed games cost $49.95.
Exactly. Both me and raven are in the MI, so will be getting the box sets to demo with, but its not the point. Step back and look at it. The game is two months late so impulse buying wont occur, it costs more then was first suspected (so the disilusioned 40k players, mostly vets, probably wont convert) and the models whilst seeming okay arent something to scream and shout about at the moment (remember the first time to saw plastic marines? thats what im talking about), barring of course the bugs.
I wasn't aware the Bug box was 6 models @ $20. That makes the starter box set a better deal, in a way. I thought the bug box was going to be 10 or 12 per.
Neither was I. Thats been dropped again. Its been halfed actually...
As for the 'squad' box sets, the MI are comparable to Marines in the UK (2 less models, more squad options - and a maximum sized squad in ST is , though better value in the US (that is the way the pricing works), while the Warrior Bugs will have 6 in a box for £15/$19.95 which, again, I think you will find compares very well to Tyranid Warriors (you are getting twice as much).
I dont think your rite there Matt.
The marine box set now comes with everything (so ive been informed) needed to make and special weapon, but still only the rocket launcher (same as mongoose). Marines have always been a firm favorite of mine even when i switched to fantasy. Mongoose so far havent proven your lead set better - which is what you need to do to even begin tempting players.
The Tyranid warriors, yes have less models, but again you get plenty of extra bits for your mula (and with the new version of the nids coming out soon, there will probably be all the options on the frame), and were always going to be 3 models to a box. Mongoose have been inconsitant to the point of insanity with.... well everything really. I mean, there were always going to be less bug players because of the way life is - success of marines and guard show that - but if its more expensive for bugs then people will only get them if they are dedicated players, have too much money, or plan to use them with *insert game here*
Granted the game system will speak for itself, but you need to look at the long term. If the Light MI are £15 and offer only 2 or three more marines, it wont work. Cadians are cheaper for more models, although granted less options its not like converting them is difficult even for novices.
Heck, 8 MI and 30 bugs would have at least LOOKED better.
I quite agree. Even having it 12 MI and 24-26 bugs would have simply looked better and got over the rite feel. One to one against bugs, MI have the advantage especially since they have the tower thing.
I'd go for SST for the simple fact that Warhammer Fantasy has way too many complicated movement rules to quickly understand by yourself.
Quantity is not important, as long as, like Warhammer 40k, the game is actually fun to play, imho.
Did i miss that one? They move X amount of inches, X listed under the M. They can move double for a march. If theres people nearby then you cant march. Flying things move faster. That, in effect, is all you need to know. Sure wheelings tricky, but if you find it that difficult dont use terrain till you work it out.
Quantity is important as 40k has proved. By making the game focused on the squad rather then the trooper, the game shifted so people had to buy entire units (conviently in a box). In the old rules you could buy a commander, a tank, and a squad, and it was an army and it was great to play because even if you only had a squad in your collection you could play it skirmish style and split the squad into single men running about (I ran a demo game like this for 40k 2nd and it proved successful. Try doing it with new edition...)
I worry a lot about Mongoose. It wants to give answers but the answers are either wrong or flawed. I understand you cant exactly make the box bigger and what have you, but you can imagine matt how many of us veterans who were looking for something new for whatever reason (price creap by workshop annoyed me, as did the growing group of people who bought everything as many times as possible and never considered things like strategy and the like) now feel screwed over yet again.
Please Matt, for the sake of the company, dont promise or tell us anything that isnt set in stone (how many times has the bug set changed in quantity and size? I count four since Novemeber. And as for MI supplies...).
Once you've said it, consider it set in stone unless you can change it for the better, that way no one can complain or feel annoyed. Write it on your computer, put it as a screen saver, tattoo it to your arm if necessary. That one sentence is how to succeed with your market audience (unless its changed to the generation that buys everything, in which case I shall cry and quit the hobby all together)
GW got where it has by gaining loyalty and then messing about (meaning it will stay for a very long time). Mongoose appear to be floundering a hell of a lot.[/quote]
We'll be posting some previews of the rules system starting next week, so you can begin making judgments on those lines too.
