split lists for all?

[H]

so then, we have the EA split into eras, not surprisng given their number of ships, the EA list was a monster!. However would it be of interest to people to have period specific lists for other races. We do have some kindly done by players, eg 1st ed had Rich Bax Dilgar war League ships, and Morgoth created early Narn ships. in second ed we have a few ISA era ships for the drakh and abbai, and the EA/Centauri era ships from Kattadder.

Now people have played and enjoyed these supplements, and as such would it make B5 ACTA vanilla more fun if we had 3 specific periods of starships for relevant races.

So for example. pre 2255 , then 2256-ISA, the ISA era +
would you want all ships balanced against each other, in the same way the dilgar are balanced against drakh**

personally, i'm getting tired of so many revisions of rules and ships, and would like to see only absolute necesities done, and instead time spent creating more specific time related stuff. you only need to look at a P+P thread to see how split the players are on almost any revision!


**I am not going to debate balance issues, you know what i mean!

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Having observed much of the Orieni War discussion from the sidelines, I'm certainly interested in early, "series" and late lists for the Centauri. It could easily be done with the Minbari, probably the Narn and the League races that had fleets back in the day. We might even see some of the dead races the Dilgar wiped out make appearances...

 

[katadder]

early minbari would probably be too early for anyone else to fight them. doubt they have had many changes since encountering earthforce.
as for the narns, you can have their freedom from the centauri list which i believe someone did do once. kind of retrofitted centauri hulks. and then their current list, the narns havent been aspacefaring race for a huge amount of time.

obviously various league races could have dilgar era fleet lists, possibly earlier.

none of the races seem to go through as much tech change as the EA, but then I guess 2-3 major wars will do that to a race (as was seen through 1st and 2nd WWs).

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Well you'd have the last Shadow War-era Minbari, and they could match up to early Vree and that other League race that has bio-tech, forget the name... of course there'd also be the First Ones.

 

[Da Boss]

I'm always interested

several are presently being worked on (that I know about)......

Katadder - League fleets - non era specific?
Locarno - The Orieni - Centauri War (very specific timeline)
Dilgar War :wink:

fun ones for me:

The Rise of the Narn - "Dawn of Retribution" 2nd Ed version could also include fleets and scenarios for other major players at the time like the Drazi?

The Last Shadow War - Minbari, Vorlons and their Allies vs the Shadows and their allies (if they had any - I presume they did or least pawns like the Centauri later?)

Hunter and Hunted - the final showdown between the Drakh and well pretty much everyone else - ISA, Centauri, Earth, Abbai all are looking to take them out for good. Sort of expansion to your last work?

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Personally, I'd be more interested in getting rid of split lists. At least the ones split by timeline.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Personally, I'd be more interested in getting rid of split lists. At least the ones split by timeline.

Why? It stops absurd things like the Saggitarius/Warlock fleet, and that has to be a good thing.

 

[l33tpenguin]

Personally, I'd be more interested in getting rid of split lists. At least the ones split by timeline.

Why? It stops absurd things like the Saggitarius/Warlock fleet, and that has to be a good thing.

Isn't that what ISDs are supposed to do?

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Yes it is, but ISDs weren't a legal requirement. Moving the ships to seperate lists meant you couldn't just mix and match and ignore the ISDs for a friendly game.

 

[Burger]

Personally, I'd be more interested in getting rid of split lists. At least the ones split by timeline.

Why? It stops absurd things like the Saggitarius/Warlock fleet, and that has to be a good thing.

Isn't that what ISDs are supposed to do?

But imposing ISDs on tournaments restricts fleet choices too much. Unless you say that each player can pick their own ISD for their fleet (then all players pick 2299 except EA).

(Having said that I just ran a tournament set in 2261 and our last one was set in 2232... ho hum!)

 

[l33tpenguin]

Why? It stops absurd things like the Saggitarius/Warlock fleet, and that has to be a good thing.

Isn't that what ISDs are supposed to do?

But imposing ISDs on tournaments restricts fleet choices too much. Unless you say that each player can pick their own ISD for their fleet (then all players pick 2299 except EA).

(Having said that I just ran a tournament set in 2261 and our last one was set in 2232... ho hum!)

But, really all the EA fleet break up is just ISDs, so how is that any different? By leaving the EA as one fleet and sticking to ISDs, you can't have Warlocks and Saggis in the same fleet.

 

[Burger]

It is just easier splitting into 3 than checking ISD for each individual ship.
Easier on the tournament organizer, that is!

 

[Tolwyn]

If splitting fleet lists would mean to have different ships and possible other technological levels I would definitly appreicate it.

It makes periode based games much more interesting

 

[Hindsight]

League -> Army of Light -> ISA

 

[Hans Olo]

I would definitely like to see the fleet list balanced against each other, that would be a major step forward for the game. Don't know if i would like to have more split lists.

 

[Tolwyn]

I would definitely like to see the fleet list balanced against each other, that would be a major step forward for the game. Don't know if i would like to have more split lists.

The most necessary thing the game as a hole needs!

 

[Da Boss]

As I udnerstood the original post - the question is would people be interested in "new eras" with complete fleet lists - so a new list for example for:

Shadow War era Minbari,
Dilgar War era Drazi,
Narn rebellion and expansion era Narn

giving the opportunity for new ships / classes, styles etc - like my Dilgar war era Raiders list ? :wink:

 

[Hindsight]

New eras, bring new restrictions, and I see restrictions being ignored very frequently. I haven't seen many games played using years at all, as if you set a tournament before the ISA was formed, just as an example, I wouldn't be able to play at all.

As a fan of the White Star Fleet, I'd have to buy a full league, and army of light list, to play my fleet in all eras, and that doesn't seem practical.

How do you balance the eras also? Shouldn't ships be getting stronger? What is the point if they're all just pushed up to a higher cost of PL to represent the upgrade in strength?

Seems like it is purely a fluff recommendation, and would represent a whole nother flaw in balance, in a system where balance is already the constant debate.

I see this as something we're nowhere near being ready for, until much work is done to what we have already.

 

[H]

New eras, bring new restrictions, and I see restrictions being ignored very frequently. I haven't seen many games played using years at all, as if you set a tournament before the ISA was formed, just as an example, I wouldn't be able to play at all.

As a fan of the White Star Fleet, I'd have to buy a full league, and army of light list, to play my fleet in all eras, and that doesn't seem practical.

How do you balance the eras also? Shouldn't ships be getting stronger? What is the point if they're all just pushed up to a higher cost of PL to represent the upgrade in strength?

Seems like it is purely a fluff recommendation, and would represent a whole nother flaw in balance, in a system where balance is already the constant debate.

I see this as something we're nowhere near being ready for, until much work is done to what we have already.

but um, the ships HAVE to move up priority levels otherwise they will be grosly overpowered compared to their replacement. the ships do get stronger, and are represented in the priority system. The Marathon was a replacement for the Hyperion, and so as not to unbalance the game was slotted in at Battle.

 

[Hindsight]

But whats the point, if so few people use year sets anyway, and how do you include something like Drakh or ISA or Shadows or Vorlons when they either didn't exist, or went away, after a certain point.