Same Gods different Perspective

[Exubae]

Been busy over Christmas putting together a campaign, based in Glorantha with players playing oppressed Orlanthi in Railos.
I've been using Thunder Rebels as a basis.
Came across a couple of deities that seem to be Gods under another name:

Vestkarthen looks to be Lodril.
Deloradella looks to either Xentha or Kyger Litor
Nontraya could be Argan Argar

Just wondered if the darkeness worshipping Orlanthi are kicking around in the second age, and if my assumption on these Gods is correct?

 

[Voriof]

This is very much the God Learner view of deities. Lodril = Vestkarthen = Turos. Orlanth = ANY big air god. Yelm = The Sun in any culture. Shargash = Tolat = Bronze Treasure (hey, their followers worship the same planet). Ernalda = Oria = Pelanda = etc. All Grain and Land Goddesses are interchangable. Etc.

But that's a grotesque simplification - one worthy of the God Learners. :twisted:

Jeff

 

[duncan_disorderly]

Just wondered if the darkeness worshipping Orlanthi are kicking around in the second age, and if my assumption on these Gods is correct?

I'd assume that Orlanthi worshippers in the lands ruled by the Only Old One would have more Darkness Gods than normal.

 

[HyrumOWC]

This is very much the God Learner view of deities. Lodril = Vestkarthen = Turos. Orlanth = ANY big air god. Yelm = The Sun in any culture. Shargash = Tolat = Bronze Treasure (hey, their followers worship the same planet). Ernalda = Oria = Pelanda = etc. All Grain and Land Goddesses are interchangable. Etc.

But that's a grotesque simplification - one worthy of the God Learners. :twisted:

Jeff

Obviously the God Learners follow the K.I.S.S. principle. No wonder why I love 'em!

Hyrum.

 

[Voriof]

This is very much the God Learner view of deities. Lodril = Vestkarthen = Turos. Orlanth = ANY big air god. Yelm = The Sun in any culture. Shargash = Tolat = Bronze Treasure (hey, their followers worship the same planet). Ernalda = Oria = Pelanda = etc. All Grain and Land Goddesses are interchangable. Etc.

But that's a grotesque simplification - one worthy of the God Learners. :twisted:

Jeff

Obviously the God Learners follow the K.I.S.S. principle. No wonder why I love 'em!

Hyrum.

(chuckle) The problem with these sorts of simplification can be pretty brutal in their oversights.

The GL embraced the similarities and ignored the differences with a sort of manical intensity. Sort of like not paying any attention to the differences between ethyl and methyl alcohol. I mean, they're both alcohols, right?

In Glorantha, the goddess certainly lies in the details... which is one reason I love the place so.

Jeff

 

[HyrumOWC]

This is very much the God Learner view of deities. Lodril = Vestkarthen = Turos. Orlanth = ANY big air god. Yelm = The Sun in any culture. Shargash = Tolat = Bronze Treasure (hey, their followers worship the same planet). Ernalda = Oria = Pelanda = etc. All Grain and Land Goddesses are interchangable. Etc.

But that's a grotesque simplification - one worthy of the God Learners. :twisted:

Jeff

Obviously the God Learners follow the K.I.S.S. principle. No wonder why I love 'em!

Hyrum.

(chuckle) The problem with these sorts of simplification can be pretty brutal in their oversights.

The GL embraced the similarities and ignored the differences with a sort of manical intensity. Sort of like not paying any attention to the differences between ethyl and methyl alcohol. I mean, they're both alcohols, right?

In Glorantha, the goddess certainly lies in the details... which is one reason I love the place so.

Jeff

Amen! There's only so much monomyth you can shove down someone's throat until they choke.

Hyrum.

 

[soltakss]

Hmm, methinks I'll be spitting into the wind, but ...

Some of the above identifications are probably correct and some might not be.

Vestkarthen looks to be Lodril.

This is the standard identification. The Vestkarthen volcano is the Shadow Plateau, known to have been built by Lodril, in one of his forms.

In my worldview, a lot of the myths were handed down by disparate cultures and they had their own names for the deities. When different cultures met, they saw some of the deities were similar and identified them, starting with the First Council and continuing through the Jrusteli and later the Lunars.

So, you get the "Hey, you worship a volcano god who fought an underground demon and burst from the earth! We worship a volcano god who burst from the Sky Spear and created the First Volcano. What, he was enslaved to make the Castle of Black Glass? Ours was defeated by Argan Argar and cooled to make glass. Maybe they're the same god!"

It's when you get into the "Your God is windy and can summon clouds? So can mine, they must both be Orlanth!" territory when things get decidedly iffy.

I like the core monomyth as a basis of Gloranthan "fact".

It's also good as in the Second Age, they were still developing the Monomyth and so, this is cutting edge research material.

It's also easier to use the common names than names that don't mean a thing to me ...

 

[The King]

The GL embraced the similarities and ignored the differences with a sort of manical intensity. Sort of like not paying any attention to the differences between ethyl and methyl alcohol. I mean, they're both alcohols, right?

In Glorantha, the goddess certainly lies in the details... which is one reason I love the place so.

Jeff

I love this example but would put it another way as grotesque as in the similitude for "learned people" of the effects it produces: oil, alcohol, pine resin, etc., are considered in the same category because there're used to fuel fire.