I was just reading up on some 4E indicators and I see that they are commenting that there will be 4 magic-less core classes:
Fighter
Rogue
Ranger
Warlord
Since I like to use the D&D rules (no offense to you CRPG players..your system's fine), I'm encouraged that we will have more options.
Of course we may still wish to have a "movie"/scholar type class or dabblers in magic..but it depends on our next campaign. We've been through full campaigns in the following areas:
* Brythunia-Turan-Zamora
* Aquilonia-Zingara-Pictland
* Shem-Stygia-Turan-Kush
* Nordheim (current)
I'm thinking Khitai/Hyrkania/Kusan for my next one. Should give lots of fantasy options
jh
"http://www.enworld.org/
Mike Mearls hints here that the Ranger [and the Warlord] will be magic-free, and comments on the ability of the 4E rules system to accomodate classless D&D. Thanks to pukunui and TerraDave for the scoop!
One of the nice things about the roles is that they let you play around with power sources without messing up the basic structure of the game. You can totally do a no magic game with the PH by sticking to the fighter, rogue, warlord, and ranger. You wouldn't have a controller, but it is possible to create a martial one.
You can also roll things back another step and do some crazy stuff with the structure of the classes. Since many of the elements of character progression are unified, you could run classless D&D by allowing players to select maneuvers and spells from any class they want, mingling the two together, or start everyone with access to all heroic abilities and grant access to divine and arcane via feats.
The really nice thing is that this structure allows you to better depict many classic D&D settings and fantasy worlds. You can run pre-War of the Lance adventures in Dragonlance without clerics. You could run Conan with just the heroic classes for PCs and NPC spellcasters as villains and allies.
The one stumbling block is that the game expects fighters to wear heavy armor, but you could get around that by building a simple house rule (a fighter in light armor gets a flat bonus to AC to make up the gap)."
Fighter
Rogue
Ranger
Warlord
Since I like to use the D&D rules (no offense to you CRPG players..your system's fine), I'm encouraged that we will have more options.
Of course we may still wish to have a "movie"/scholar type class or dabblers in magic..but it depends on our next campaign. We've been through full campaigns in the following areas:
* Brythunia-Turan-Zamora
* Aquilonia-Zingara-Pictland
* Shem-Stygia-Turan-Kush
* Nordheim (current)
I'm thinking Khitai/Hyrkania/Kusan for my next one. Should give lots of fantasy options
jh
"http://www.enworld.org/
Mike Mearls hints here that the Ranger [and the Warlord] will be magic-free, and comments on the ability of the 4E rules system to accomodate classless D&D. Thanks to pukunui and TerraDave for the scoop!
One of the nice things about the roles is that they let you play around with power sources without messing up the basic structure of the game. You can totally do a no magic game with the PH by sticking to the fighter, rogue, warlord, and ranger. You wouldn't have a controller, but it is possible to create a martial one.
You can also roll things back another step and do some crazy stuff with the structure of the classes. Since many of the elements of character progression are unified, you could run classless D&D by allowing players to select maneuvers and spells from any class they want, mingling the two together, or start everyone with access to all heroic abilities and grant access to divine and arcane via feats.
The really nice thing is that this structure allows you to better depict many classic D&D settings and fantasy worlds. You can run pre-War of the Lance adventures in Dragonlance without clerics. You could run Conan with just the heroic classes for PCs and NPC spellcasters as villains and allies.
The one stumbling block is that the game expects fighters to wear heavy armor, but you could get around that by building a simple house rule (a fighter in light armor gets a flat bonus to AC to make up the gap)."
