Robots

[towerwarlock]

I have the Dragon Magazine archive on cd-rom and while looking on the internet for something else, I found a listing of Traveller arcticles in the Dragon Magazines. And it lists in issue#64 an article for Robots, well I looked it up and I think it would do really well for the new MGT.

 

[towerwarlock]

I do not know if it would be allowed or if I could do so. Hey Mongoose People, if I am able to would I be allowed to copy and paste onto here in the forum the Robots article from the Old Dragon Magazine cd-rom archives a copy of the article? Or would that not be allowed?

 

[EDG]

I'd imagine you'd have to ask WotC if they would mind if some of their copyrighted material got pasted onto a forum for free. (I imagine that they would mind, but I'm not WotC).

 

[GypsyComet]

WotC staffers have said in the past that they (now) consider that CD ROM Dragon Magazine collection a mistake. (Translation: Hasbro thinks that what those early WotC fanboys did was stupid.) As such, the current Hasbro-motivated legal staff is not going to grant permission. Note also that as an OGL/GSL participant, Mongoose is already under WotC's watchful gaze.

So NO, don't copy and paste. The key is to para-phrase.

 

[captainjack23]

I do not know if it would be allowed or if I could do so. Hey Mongoose People, if I am able to would I be allowed to copy and paste onto here in the forum the Robots article from the Old Dragon Magazine cd-rom archives a copy of the article? Or would that not be allowed?

If you look, the CD is licensed for personal use only, which I'm pretty sure disallows public reproduction even for free. Also given the amount of problems that the (now out of print) CD itself caused for them (some of the stuff, specifically art, but also some fiction and a few articles weren't theirs after first publication, amazingly enough), I'd really advise against doing that.

 

[towerwarlock]

Remember the WOTC legal staff considers it a violation if anyone has any fun with anything but 4th edition D&D. SO much for that idea. And the only mistake is that WOTC and TSR were acquired by Hasborg. Lots of good stuff were in the archives that can still be used. But of course good ideas are not politically correct.

 

[EDG]

Remember the WOTC legal staff considers it a violation if anyone has any fun with anything but 4th edition D&D.

No, they really don't. :roll:

SO much for that idea. And the only mistake is that WOTC and TSR were acquired by Hasborg. Lots of good stuff were in the archives that can still be used. But of course good ideas are not politically correct.

It's nothing to do with being "politically correct", it's everything to do with being legal. You asked, you got your answer. Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[qstor]

Yeah the CD ROM caused another gaming related lawsuit. KenzerCo sued TSR/WOTC for including the Knights of the Dinner table comic without their permission I gather on the CDROM and for better or for worse lead to HackMaster.

Flynn is working on a MGT compatible Robots .pdf under the OGL for Mongoose traveller. His two T20 Robots .pdf were pretty good so I'm looking forward to the MGT one.

Mike

 

[towerwarlock]

Well I have his 2 t20 robots books and I like them, although most of my robots I work with are TL10 - 11. If his MGT Book is as good then I will definately have to get it. Heck if it is only half as good I will have to get it.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

You might also try the Classic Traveller CD ROM. It has Book 8 ROBOTS in it. CT is close enough to MGT, that with a little eye squinting, you could probably make it work until something more MGT oriented comes along.

 

[towerwarlock]

I have that CD-Rom also. Actually, combining the 2 works also. I primarily use TNE with stuff from MGT. I just thought that perhaps the article could be of use to others here. Since the issue of Dragon Magazine is hard to come by, and the cd-rom archive is too. And since Hasborg has terminated Dungeon Magazine and Dragon Magazine to stick to solely online work, I figured I should ask.

Although I do have to wonder. . . .
How long before D&D is killed off altogether?

 

[EDG]

How long before D&D is killed off altogether?

Uh, never?

We get it - you don't like 4e or approve of Hasbro or WotC or whatever, fine. But nobody's given any sign that D&D will ever be killed off. Personally I'm having way more fun with 4e than I've ever had with any previous edition except Basic D&D.

 

[rust]

It has Book 8 ROBOTS in it. CT is close enough to MGT, that with a little eye squinting, you could probably make it work until something more MGT oriented comes along.

For my taste the technology of Book 8 is quite outdated, especially the
power systems (a superconductor loop energy cell should do much bet-
ter than those batteries, I think), but also some other parts of it.

I really hope that Flynn will have the time to complete his Guide to Ro-
bots soon.

 

[towerwarlock]

I will admit that I do not like 4e D&D. However, I tried it and gave it the benefit of the doubt. However I prefer 3.5. But my favorite is Mongoose Runequest. Hasbro however, has indicated that they are reigning in the freedom that WOTC has, which usually means in business terms means squashing them altogether, that is why I mention that D&D could be killed off altogether. Look what they did to Star Wars Saga edition, they mangled that one pretty badly. I still say Mongoose could have done a better job easily. Back to 4e, to each their own I guess.

 

[dmccoy1693]

I'm no fan of 4E myself, but D&D is the RPG industry's most recognizible brand, more than Vampire/WoD, more than Traveller, more than Pathfinder. D&D is still going to be the industry's gateway "drug".

But for us old timer's that prefer the older editions, they still play the same as when they were new.

To the OP, while you can't (shouldn't) post the whole article, there's nothing stopping you from creatuing your own (based on the articles) and post them here.

 

[GypsyComet]

I'm no fan of 4E myself, but D&D is the RPG industry's most recognizible brand, more than Vampire/WoD, more than Traveller, more than Pathfinder. D&D is still going to be the industry's gateway "drug".

What Hasbro may now be figuring out is that the "gateway" is opening wide due to the way 4e was handled. Good or bad, it is barely recognizable as "D&D" to many people, and that is causing a repeat of the exodus in the 80s as gamers go looking for other solutions. Hasbro fears those people will simply go to WoW, while other games publishers hope they'll attract some of them. Both are right, as "gamers" are not the homogenous smelly mass the big companies would like them to be; no single solution will ever attract all of them.

 

[EDG]

Good or bad, it is barely recognizable as "D&D" to many people

I've never understood this. It seems exactly like D&D always was to me - namely, a high magic fantasy game where you can do anything from kicking doors and taking monsters' stuff to running a high intrigue political campaign. Sure, the mechanics have changed somewhat (for the better IMO. It's soooo much more streamlined now), but it still seems like D&D to me.

 

[Infojunky]

I think it is time for a Traveller Fantasy supplement. Oh wait Psion is coming out....

Or at least a Martial Arts supplement. Or at least rejigger the current down to PC scale combat with a little more detail.

I have an idea here, just not sure of the parts.... Been beating on this since MgT came out......

 

[dmccoy1693]

I've never understood this. It seems exactly like D&D always was to me - namely, a high magic fantasy game where you can do anything from kicking doors and taking monsters' stuff to running a high intrigue political campaign.

It all depends on how you define D&D. Defined like you have it above, then, yes 4E is definitely D&D. If you define it as "magic feels magical because it works in a completely different way (i.e. different set of rules) than swinging a sword does," than no, 4E is not D&D. If you define D&D as having THAC0, elf is a class, bard is only something you can take after you've mastered several other classes, than 3E wasn't D&D. It all depends on what the person feels is important about D&D.

 

[Infojunky]

It all depends on how you define D&D.

To me D&D is 3+ digest-sized books, just like Traveller.

IMHO it has all gone down hill with the increase in size and page count.....