New B5 books Update Dec 15 from JMS - not good news

djclark

Mongoose
To recap...after making a number of rather controversial statements about my involvement, which were not accurate, there were several emails exchanged which resulted finally in my agreeing to give Mongoose a second chance. The main concerns were that a) information given to the fans should be accurate, b) the books should be canonical, and c) the level of writing on the books had to be consistent with what's gone before. To be fair they said they would work within the guidelines they were given.

I made it very clear that I did not want any money off the deal, no fees for myself, the purpose was to ensure the quality of the books.

The manuscripts came in on the books currently in progress, and unfortunately the level of writing is at very best amateurish, on a level somewhat below what one would find on the average fan-fiction website. In some cases the manuscripts had net handles not even actual names, they were unprofessionally put together and edited, and the writing is just not there. This is not the sort of thing that can be easily corrected with just some notes or asking for re-dos. They haven't done much publishing in the area of fiction previous to this time, and my feeling is that as well-intentioned as they might be, they don't really have the chops when it comes to fiction. And their statements on their website are again somewhat overstating the situation and not being entirely accurate in the projects and processes being announced.

So having given a second chance to this process, and again as well intentioned as they may be, my sense is that this is going to be a case of diminishing returns. Fiction is a far more subjective field than putting together reference books, and you really have to trust the tastes and perspective of your editorial staff, which for me, subjectively, isn't here. So I've stepped back and said I really can't be a part of this process because I can't endorse something if I don't think the quality is going to be there. So it's between them and WB at this point.

JMS
 
JayRaider said:
So the new books won't be " canon". Thats fair enough, just like the Star Trek novels. :)

so long as they are not advertised or alluded/spindoctored to as having the endorsment of jms, mongoose should be on safe ground.

just don`t be expecting much in the way of sales to a lot of Babylon 5 fans, gamers and non gamers. :wink:
 
Based on JMS reaction to them, they're not something I'd be interested in at all. Really, net handles??

I love Mongoose's games, but I just don't think this is their thing.
 
We'll have to see what the finished articles are like but JMS seems fair enough in his opinions that although he personally doesn't like them, he's not going to actively denounce them. Lack of canonimity will hurt any sales somewhat though.
 
I'll let you guys read them and then decide whether or not to get them from there. :wink:

My friends have already used me as a sounding board for some truely god aweful crap(Kevin J. Anderson's Dune stuff and Ed Greenwood's Forgotten Realms crap) and I don't want to have more of my brain come out through my nose.
 
I didn't have any plans on buying them anyway. This note from JMS just reinforces my thoughts on the matter. They looked like rubbish from the get go.
 
Celisasu said:
I'll let you guys read them and then decide whether or not to get them from there. :wink:

My friends have already used me as a sounding board for some truely god aweful crap(Kevin J. Anderson's Dune stuff and Ed Greenwood's Forgotten Realms crap) and I don't want to have more of my brain come out through my nose.

I generally don't get the urge for people to write in someone else's "playground" :roll:
 
well in all honesty I can't say this comes as a great surprise, I can't really say I was anticipating them much anyway and this is pretty much the nail in the coffin. It's pretty rare for books based on Sci Fi shows/movies to actually be any good anyway in my experience (theres a few ST/SW ones Ive enjoyed but mostly just BECAUSE they were ST/SW not because they were exactly litterary masterpieces...)
 
I think the only Star Wars stuff I liked was Zahn's Heir to the Empire Trilogy. It wasn't a literary masterwork but it was fun which is what Star Wars should be.

The best Star Trek novels didn't involve any of the main characters. Or secondary characters for that matter except in passing. Pawns&Symbols, The Final Reflection, and The Romulan Way were the best of the Trek novels. Once again not literary masterworks but fun which is what they were supposed to be. The authors benifited I think by chosing not to use Kirk and crew(they were all old series stuff) except as minor supporting roles.
 
Shadows of the Empire was my personal favourite. Timothy Zhan can actualy write half decent books though ;)

As for Star Trek books Ive not actually read that many but most are a laugh but not exactly great when alls said and done. I quite liked the section 31 DS9 book though.
 
Hi guys,

A quick note here, as I cannot say too much at the moment. However, it seems that this situation has arisen through (surprise, surprise) a great amount of mis-communication via third party. We are currently in discussions to resolve the issues.
 
Its amazing the amount of miscommunication that goes on when JMS is involved (and I'm not talking just Mongoose-JMS here). I suspect the only solution is to not believe any promise for him to say or do anything unless you've got it from him directly ... and probably in writing too!
 
dorward said:
Its amazing the amount of miscommunication that goes on when JMS is involved (and I'm not talking just Mongoose-JMS here). I suspect the only solution is to not believe any promise for him to say or do anything unless you've got it from him directly ... and probably in writing too!

Must. . . not. . . make. . . comment. . .

Matt
 
B5Temple said:
emperorpenguin said:
I thought the original lot of B5 books were awful and JMS sanctioned those....

You're right about that. They bleeeeeeew. :wink:

just 2 or 3 good ones out of the first single story series and the Psi-corp/Technomage trilogies were ok.

all this "mis-communication" is getting old very quick.
 
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