MEA IED
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The Old Soldier
Mongoose
I don't think you can consider the explosive charges from hell the Fedayeen models are carrying IED. Seem more like some type of super sticky bomb. Since it goes off next turn, plus even if the enemy model moved out of the way the bomb still goes off where the model moved :shock:
127th Angry Angels
Mongoose
I was actually shocked by the photo's on the IED crator from last weeks attack on a Brit Warrior. I had always imagined IED's to be be much smaller anti personnel devices. Not something that can cripple a Warrior and kill four people inside. And the crater was massive. It got picked up here in the papers because one of the female sodiers killed was from Southampton. I suppose by nature an improvised weapon could have pretty different traits.
127th Angry Angels said:
IED is a catch all term used to cover any explosive device used by "the insurgents", this covers everything from home made motars, to tank mines obtained from where ever (please note given the black market in weapos some if not many of these are US and UK made....)
Actually, Cordas, and IED (Improvised Explosive Device) is a bomb fabricated in an improvised manner.
Like taking an artillery shell and rigging it like a mine, or piling a bunch of mines together with a copper top to make an anti-tank mine.
The key word to remember is Improvised.
Like taking an artillery shell and rigging it like a mine, or piling a bunch of mines together with a copper top to make an anti-tank mine.
The key word to remember is Improvised.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Not to mention most of the IEDs are coming from Iran, not the USA or the UK! Try to keep your political views from clouding your facts. Whether they were originally a US mortar round or a UK armor round (if even they are), has no bearing.
Not to mention this game is set in the near future, so the MEA has been working to create a new standard explosive weapon, that the Fedayeen are using, as such it is not a IED.
Not to mention this game is set in the near future, so the MEA has been working to create a new standard explosive weapon, that the Fedayeen are using, as such it is not a IED.
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
I think Cordas' mention of the US and UK is more down to his confision on what an IED is rather than politics. There's plenty of ordnance from all the Cold War players floating around the Middle East, and i think we cna all agree that it's better to just hope that mess gets sorted out as quickly as possible with as few lives lost as possible, because the dead don't care what factory made the weapon that killed them.
But on the IED nomenclature - the Fedayeen card specifically states they're using IEDs.
But on the IED nomenclature - the Fedayeen card specifically states they're using IEDs.
Well, arguably they could be getting the material from any number of places... from old ammo dumps (stuff supplied by the US during the Iran-Iraq war is still availble, you also have Russian munitions as well) to external sources (Iran, Syria, and so on.. not saying countries necessarily, but NGOs could be a source too). Heck, they could have stolen stuff from our forces there right now too.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Thanks Nagle, I stand corrected on the Unit card thing. Still waiting for my order of them. But, Cordas mentioning of US and UK ordinance, has been a common theme in some of his past post. See, some of his post in the off topic thread.
It's just like that old tired debate, if a person murders with a handgun, are the makers of the handgun responsible, claptrap.
It's just like that old tired debate, if a person murders with a handgun, are the makers of the handgun responsible, claptrap.
cordas said:
Please note the underlined bits, and the bold bit.
When was the last time you heard of an attack done on a vehicle using a mine? It is never reported that way (at least here in the UK), attacks are always done using IEDs, even when those supposed IEDs came from Iran..... Iran has its own military production factories... why are they converting artillery shells into mines (and where are they getting the shells) and not just making mines? The attack mentioned that destroyed the Warrior and killed 4 people, was more than likely done by a land mine but it was reported as being done by and IED.
My comments about weapons being made in the US and UK are down to the fact the 2 largest manufacturers of weapons and sellers of weapons in the world are the US and the UK, there is also a huge BLACK market in weapons (illegal weapons sales) do you think that none of these arms sellers are selling weapons to insurgents?
IED is a propoganda term that means as much as Illegal combatant. Yes some IEDs are booby traps using tank shells and other munitions, but many are weapons being used exactly as they where designed to be used, its just that the people who used them are "wrong" and only use IEDs or so we are being led to believe.
I make no bones about my feelings of the current military action in Iraq, I feel we where lied to to take us to war (a very widely held belief), I also believe we are being lied to to keep us there, and IEDs are part of that propoganda.
