Maybe a request for EA.

[sidewinder]

Like EA doesnt get enough, I know, but I'm tired of EA's biggest ships being called destroyers. Destroyers generally make up the majority of a fleet but then there are cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships. The nova was classed as a battleship, I'd like to see a new ship to take on that role. If the warlock is being moved back to war for 2e then maybe we could get a true battleship class ship to give EA an armageddon choice.

 

[Locutus9956]

No no no no no! We DONT NEED ANY MORE EA SHIPS!!!! Sort the other races out for a bit!

Bear in mind here, I'm an EA player myself so am not just anti EA campaigning here. Furthermore, frankly too many races have Armageddon level ships as it is. The EA fleet as it stands (with a few minor changes like Warlock to War etc) is good. What I know of the second edition list is also good. Let's sort out the other more problematic races with balance issues (like the Centauri and Minbari) and flesh out the league a bit before we start campaigning for yet MORE EA ships!

 

[Target]

One thing good about the Centauri List is the names are in the right priority lvls eg Haven Patrol Boat, Maximus Frigate, Sulust Destroyer, Primus Battlecrusier

 

[Locutus9956]

Yeah but its hardly Mongooses fault for the EA, thats the naming policy EA went with in the show!

 

[tneva82]

Yeah but its hardly Mongooses fault for the EA, thats the naming policy EA went with in the show!

And hey. Maybe EA just opted to restructure namings a bit in the 250 years between...It's not like it's realistic to expect no changes to happen between now and B5 timeline anyway :lol:

(okay more likely just mistake in B5 production but who cares)

 

[Locutus9956]

Indeed. Whatever the reason, as fars the show is concerned, within the EA Fleet. Cruiserse are medium sized ships, Destroyers are big ships. End of story

 

[Joe_Dracos]

Okay now I'm a bit confused.... why does the Warlock need to come down to war?

 

[H]

Because it was a war ship origionally. In the show it was the next step up from the Omega, and to think a planet at war with itself should make a ship superior to the Sharlin for example, when it's previous best was theOmega was stretching it a bit. Plus, It's a lovely model, and Armageddon ships will get used so rarely. Plus, if rumour be true, the EA has another armageddon ship in second ed.

 

[Rynar]

In space terms Destroyers do switch places with cruisers. You can look this up on wikepedia. 8)
The problem with the Warlock beeing beefed up to Arma lvl was that many EA players (like myself) had several of these craft, and thus would see the battletable only on rare ocasions :?

 

[tneva82]

In space terms Destroyers do switch places with cruisers. You can look this up on wikepedia. 8)
The problem with the Warlock beeing beefed up to Arma lvl was that many EA players (like myself) had several of these craft, and thus would see the battletable only on rare ocasions :?

Plus limits war choises on EA player...Though albeit new command omega helps there but still in 5 point war I find myself bit short for war choises(albeit I'm not helped by lack of knowledge on fleet carrier rule which rules out poseidon out).

 

[Locutus9956]

Your not missing anything. At the moment the Posseidon is simply not worth a war choice and it dies FAR too easily. Should be better in 2nd Ed though

As for the Warlock, simply put it was a good ship at War level originally and felt 'right'. Bumped up to Armageddon it just didnt cut it anymore, wasnt wortth its points, and if it had its power increased to the point where it WAS worth the points it would be too powerful and not feel right any more.

 

[tneva82]

Your not missing anything. At the moment the Posseidon is simply not worth a war choice and it dies FAR too easily. Should be better in 2nd Ed though

And do you think I'm choosing my fleets simply on what's most optimal?-)

Nice model and I like carriers. Plus some fleets are in trouble against fighters.

Also I'm also missing out avenger as well to boot :lol:. Oh and belwarix. And pretty much any fleet carrier out there :lol:

Add to that emines disabling narns...ARGH! Atleast april is coming soon. I'll get to refresh my memory on V1 rulebook again when I get back to Finland for a holiday. Frustrating to play without rulebooks :-(

But yeah. Warlock back to war level! It's not WARlock for nothing :wink: Good thing that's happening in 2nd edition. Too bad 2nd edition is so far away

 

[captainsmirk]

Yeah but its hardly Mongooses fault for the EA, thats the naming policy EA went with in the show!

And hey. Maybe EA just opted to restructure namings a bit in the 250 years between...It's not like it's realistic to expect no changes to happen between now and B5 timeline anyway :lol:

(okay more likely just mistake in B5 production but who cares)

That is a reason with precedent, take the humble frigate. Is the modern frigate similar in role to that of the age of sail? Is in fact the modern destroyer not the primary "battleship" of most modern navies? If they are certainly the most heavily armed ships generally (apart from the few navies which still have cruisers, and RN and USN destroyers are reaching the size of cruisers anyway).

Changes in technology and military thought often result in a redefinition of what particular ships classifications mean. And moving into space is a pretty big change in technology...

Where the mistake was made I think (by AoG mainly) was using a more conventional system of classification for all of the other races...


Nick

 

[Locutus9956]

Not optimal is one thing but the Posseidon as good as loses you the game before youve even started most times . Which is a shame as it is a fantastic model (I hesitate to call it a 'miniature' as its about 40 feel long (ok so thats a SLIGHT exageration ). I've used it in the past anyway just because, as you say, it IS cool. But simply put at the moment, no matter HOW vulnerable a fleet is to fighters, its not even remotely worth spending a whole War point for what essentially amounts to a bunch of fighters and command bonus. Aside from its fighters the Posseidon is almost totally unarmed, and at hull 4 for a War level target, its just cannon fodder, it may LOOK tough with all those hit points but Ive never had one live past turn 2 if my opponent has decided to kill it.

Thats not a comment on carriers in general though, the Avenger is actually quite good, and the Whitestar Carrier, despite how much I loathe the whole idea, I must grudgingly admit is horribly effective. I will still NEVER field one but thats not because its not good in game terms

 

[H]

The Poseidon is in effect very similar to the drakh mo ship, in that once it launches it's ships, it's a very large number of VP (and XP in campaigns) floating around with little purpose apart from a command bonus (and fleet carrier for the poseidon). I think both need some work to make them viable in their own right (yes I know 8 raiders from a moship is amazing and pretty scary, but the moship itself is cack. but then look at the WS carrier, It's a good ship on it's own, and carries skirmish ships as well, although how a WS fighter is comparable to a raider i don'ty know! plus the WS carrier has fleet carrier to recycly the damned fighters)

 

[tneva82]

Not optimal is one thing but the Posseidon as good as loses you the game before youve even started most times .

If it's only 1/5(or even less) of your fleet points I don't think so :lol: Frankly I think there couple lucky criticals are going to affect the game more Me loves big battles.

Still thinking of that 5 point armageddon though there the fleet allocation point system starts to get bit unwieldy(12 skirmish ships? YIKES!). Maybe go for 10 point war instead. Gives bit more "control" over the point allocations.

Thats not a comment on carriers in general though, the Avenger is actually quite good, and the Whitestar Carrier, despite how much I loathe the whole idea, I must grudgingly admit is horribly effective.

Did I mention I don't like idea of not having effective war level choise with ISA :lol:. White stars and WSC-2 starts to feel little...Small...At big levels. And there's only victory as alternative ATM for us...

Ah well. Only bit more than month left.

 

[Burger]

Did I mention I don't like idea of not having effective war level choise with ISA :lol:. White stars and WSC-2 starts to feel little...Small...At big levels. And there's only victory as alternative ATM for us...

Whats wrong with White Star carrier, they are a great ship.
And don't forget a WSC-2 with Sheridan on board is a War level choice :twisted:

 

[tneva82]

Whats wrong with White Star carrier, they are a great ship.

That I don't know fleet carrier rules(or rather have forgotten them. Rulebook in Finland, me in England) :lol:

Kinda limits choises a bit Which hurts my EA a bit when playing at war level now that warlock is armageddon. No poseidon(unless I want to play without fleet carrier recycle)=little choises left there.

 

[Locutus9956]

Fleet Carrier aint hard :

Basically you can have 2 flights deployed intitally rather than 1, and whenever a fighter dies on the table roll a d6, on a 5+ you recover it and it can be relaunched next turn. - to the roll if fighter was killed in a dogfight, +1 if id died within 10" of the carrier.

Think thats it, someone please correct me if wrong!

 

[Burger]

Only fighters that can be carried by the fleet carrier, can be recovered as above. Also -1 to the above roll if the fighter died within 4" of an enemy ship.

Fleet carrier also gives all your fighters +1 to dogfight (not just ones able to be carried by that carrier).