Italian Aircraft Carrier and Aircraft
- Thread starter hyndridge
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Captain_Nemo
Mongoose
Just a quick look leads me to the Illustrious Class Aircraft Carrier of Great Britain.
Any other possibilities guys?
Any other possibilities guys?
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Don't the Ities have a carrier in VaS, then?
Totenkopfer
Mongoose
No nor do they get any aircraft. Leads me to think they didnt support naval operations with air.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
I'm pretty sure they did, just been short-changed in the rulebook.
captainsmirk
Mongoose
They had plenty of land based aircraft operating in the Med.
The Aquila was never completed and didn't see service, don't what aircraft were planned for it. It would have to be a what if.
However I find it a little surprising that they have no aircraft at all...
The Anti-shipping units of the Italian airforce were possibly the most effective Italian military formations of the war. They caused a lot of damage to the Med convoys.
Nick
The Aquila was never completed and didn't see service, don't what aircraft were planned for it. It would have to be a what if.
However I find it a little surprising that they have no aircraft at all...
The Anti-shipping units of the Italian airforce were possibly the most effective Italian military formations of the war. They caused a lot of damage to the Med convoys.
Nick
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
A good part of the game, I would say, is what if.
For instance, teh Z-Plan fleet, the Surcouf HINT HINT DM, and some other junk were never finished.
For instance, teh Z-Plan fleet, the Surcouf HINT HINT DM, and some other junk were never finished.
Be careful what you ask for hyndridge, as the Regina Aeronautica sometimes bombed anything that moved on the water 
. Since you are asking about naval aircraft that should be safe as they would not bomb their own carrier of course. After I finish my "fun" here, I'll turn serious and try to honestly help you, but here is an actual piece of history regarding the sometimes interesting antics of the Italian air force-
The Italian Foreign Minister (a brother-in-law of Mussolini) said of the Battle off Calabria: "The battle was not a fight between British and Italians but a dispute between our sailors and our aviators." After dropping tons of bombs on warships from both the British and Italian fleets luckily for both naval forces all attempts missed. And now you know why Italian warships had "barber pole" red and white stripes for aerial recognition painted on their bow area decks. :wink: I wonder why Mongoose left off the Italian aircraft counters, hmm?
Just so you don't feel picked upon I'll mention that a dozen British Swordfish torpedo bombers from the Ark Royal attacked the HMS Sheffield instead of the Bismarck, heh :shock: .
Now on to your desire:
It appears that the intent of the Aquila was to be used for fleet defence, armed with either fighters or fighter-bombers. Aircraft complement is 53 Reggiane Re 2001 aircraft. She was at about 24,000 tons displacement (28,500 tons full load) and would have made a fine carrier, being expertly converted from the large luxury liner Roma. Speed was about 30 kts., so she was fast. Altogether, she was a very fine looking warship.
After dropping all of this "neat" trivia, I cannot offer a better example than what Captain_Nemo did- The Illustrious :idea: .
. Since you are asking about naval aircraft that should be safe as they would not bomb their own carrier of course. After I finish my "fun" here, I'll turn serious and try to honestly help you, but here is an actual piece of history regarding the sometimes interesting antics of the Italian air force-The Italian Foreign Minister (a brother-in-law of Mussolini) said of the Battle off Calabria: "The battle was not a fight between British and Italians but a dispute between our sailors and our aviators." After dropping tons of bombs on warships from both the British and Italian fleets luckily for both naval forces all attempts missed. And now you know why Italian warships had "barber pole" red and white stripes for aerial recognition painted on their bow area decks. :wink: I wonder why Mongoose left off the Italian aircraft counters, hmm?
Just so you don't feel picked upon I'll mention that a dozen British Swordfish torpedo bombers from the Ark Royal attacked the HMS Sheffield instead of the Bismarck, heh :shock: .
Now on to your desire:
It appears that the intent of the Aquila was to be used for fleet defence, armed with either fighters or fighter-bombers. Aircraft complement is 53 Reggiane Re 2001 aircraft. She was at about 24,000 tons displacement (28,500 tons full load) and would have made a fine carrier, being expertly converted from the large luxury liner Roma. Speed was about 30 kts., so she was fast. Altogether, she was a very fine looking warship.
After dropping all of this "neat" trivia, I cannot offer a better example than what Captain_Nemo did- The Illustrious :idea: .
How about this? 
Aqulia-class Aircraft Carrier
Ships of this class: Aquila
Speed: 6”
Turning: 1
Target: 4+
Armour: 2+
Damage: 29/10
Crew: 52/17
Special Traits: Carrier
In Service: 1943
Aircraft: 9 flights of Re 2001
Weapon / Range / AD / DD / Special
Secondary Armament / 12” / 2 / 1 / Weak
AAA / 5” / 3 -
Length: 759 ft.
Displacement: 28,500 tons
Speed: 30 kts.
Crew: 1,300
Re.2001 Ariete
Type: Fighter
Speed: 17”
Target: 6+
Dodge: 2+
Dogfight: +4
Damage: 2
In Service: 1941
Weapon / Range / AD / DD / Special
Bombs / - / 1 / 2 / AP, One-Shot
Aqulia-class Aircraft Carrier
Ships of this class: Aquila
Speed: 6”
Turning: 1
Target: 4+
Armour: 2+
Damage: 29/10
Crew: 52/17
Special Traits: Carrier
In Service: 1943
Aircraft: 9 flights of Re 2001
Weapon / Range / AD / DD / Special
Secondary Armament / 12” / 2 / 1 / Weak
AAA / 5” / 3 -
Length: 759 ft.
Displacement: 28,500 tons
Speed: 30 kts.
Crew: 1,300
Re.2001 Ariete
Type: Fighter
Speed: 17”
Target: 6+
Dodge: 2+
Dogfight: +4
Damage: 2
In Service: 1941
Weapon / Range / AD / DD / Special
Bombs / - / 1 / 2 / AP, One-Shot
Twin-Linked Aldades
Mongoose
Actually, Aquila was completed during the war, and only needed final shakedown tests before entering the battle (which, as for most of the RM was `sitting in harbour looking mean`) when Italy capitulated the 8th of september 1943 (and for the trivia lovers, the message of capitulation was aired at 18.30 lol) and send the fleet to Malta to surrender...
GHQ has a nice Aquila in it`s range btw:
The light cruiser in front of Aquila is one of the Condotierri classes... release them Mongoose, we neeeeeed them (okay, so it was the biggest production run non-destroyer class, but that`s reason enough to include them in VaS no?)
GHQ has a nice Aquila in it`s range btw:
The light cruiser in front of Aquila is one of the Condotierri classes... release them Mongoose, we neeeeeed them (okay, so it was the biggest production run non-destroyer class, but that`s reason enough to include them in VaS no?)
Twin-Linked Aldades
Mongoose
Slightly under 4 inches (9.6 centimeters), I did a scale reference of my ships somewhere else, but can`t find the pic direclty, so I`ll repost it...
That sounds OK, what size table do you use?
I am looking to stock a range of ships in my shop and am trying to decide what scale and manufacturer to use.
My sister lives in Brussels, do you live anywhere near there?
I am coming over in a couple of months, maybe we could have a game!
I could also bring a FOW army as well!
Roland
I am looking to stock a range of ships in my shop and am trying to decide what scale and manufacturer to use.
My sister lives in Brussels, do you live anywhere near there?
I am coming over in a couple of months, maybe we could have a game!
I could also bring a FOW army as well!
Roland
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
The pic & plan look like it has a Torpedo Bulge, or is that just part of the ex-liner stability?DM said:How about this?
Aqulia-class Aircraft Carrier
Ships of this class: Aquila
Speed: 6”
Turning: 1
Target: 4+
Armour: 2+
Damage: 29/10
Crew: 52/17
Special Traits: Carrier
Wulf
Twin-Linked Aldades
Mongoose
hyndridge said:
We use TSS tiles, for the standard 64 on 48 inch tables that would be 6 tiles (they are 24 squares). Our club is located in antwerp, in my photobucket is a scanned in article from a recent Wargames Illus. magazine where the tiles can be clearly seen.
)Fitzwalrus
Mongoose
Was it the Aquila that used concrete bulges to offset the weight of the island superstructure or am I thinking of some other converted CV?
Very pretty Italians, TLA... nice paint jobs, and the GHQ Italian ships are just gorgeous models (they were what finally got me to take the plunge for both Italians and GHQ ships.)
Oh, h*ll, I am going to have to start painting ships again.... :lol: :roll:
Very pretty Italians, TLA... nice paint jobs, and the GHQ Italian ships are just gorgeous models (they were what finally got me to take the plunge for both Italians and GHQ ships.)
Oh, h*ll, I am going to have to start painting ships again.... :lol: :roll:
Fitzwalrus said:
Concrete has been used by many countries as a backing for armor plates and to fill voids for ballast. I'm not sure if those bulges were totally filled with concrete, but I'll say that concrete was used in the conversion into a carrier. Oh darn it, now you're making me want to go and "google" up the info. :roll:
Yeah, it looks like some of the bulkheads were filled with concrete, as were those bulges up to 600mm thick. It appears that the concrete was most of her waterline hull protection scheme as well as for ballast but as most carriers didn't really have much armor anyway I don't see it as a slight on her figure (heh) :wink: .
The most notable current example of concrete use in a carrier is RFA Argus which has (IIRC) several thousand tonnes of concrete under her flight deck. However, that is there to increase the height of her centre of gravity and thus make her motions suitable for flying training (without the concrete she'd be too stable!). I have also worked on frigates with enormous amounts of concrete used to fill in voids in their bows (one of the ships I looked after rammed another and caused her some pretty serious damage whilst suffering nothing more than a slight bend in her stem. There was someting like 50 tonnes of concrete in her bows but it didn't appear on the ships drawings and no-one knew anything about it being put there!). We also use something called "ballastcrete" in place of solid ballast on some ships.
