Interstellar Sophontarian Law ?

domingojs23

Banded Mongoose
Dear Friends,

For my day job, I had coordinated the Philippines' month-long celebration of International Humanitarian Law (IHL), which is essentially the law of war/armed conflict, emphasizing protection of civilians/non-combatants and banning the use of inhumane means and methods of warfare. From time to time I would ponder as to how IHL would be in the Traveller setting. Interstellar Sophontarian Law (ISL) anyone ?

I am thinking of writing an article on what ISL would be like in the OTU. Any ideas ?

Cheers,

Gary
 
Within the Imperium there are written & unwritten rules of war imposed on Imperium worlds by authority of the Emperor/Empress.
 
domingojs23 said:
For my day job, I had coordinated the Philippines' month-long celebration of International Humanitarian Law (IHL), which is essentially the law of war/armed conflict, emphasizing protection of civilians/non-combatants and banning the use of inhumane means and methods of warfare. From time to time I would ponder as to how IHL would be in the Traveller setting. Interstellar Sophontarian Law (ISL) anyone ?

As F33D pointed out, laws already exist within the Imperium governing the rules of war. The Library Data has them listed as - "The rules of war are an accumulation of unwritten concepts established on a case-by-case basis. They have not been officially codified to prevent formal precedent from preventing Imperial intervention. The main aim of the rules is to maintain the economic and military well-being of the realm.

The Imperium tolerates the use of force as a necessary outlet for built-up political and social pressures beyond the opponents' ability to mediate. A short war is deemed preferable to continuing tension, sabotage, political agitation, etc. However, attempts by extra-planetary forces to seize control of a world's affairs are beyond the scope of the "safety valve" rationale.

Recognizing that often some community of interest exists between a faction or state on a planet and some off-planet organization, the Imperium tolerates "assistance" as long as it is deemed appropriate to the level of legitimate interest in the affairs of the world held by the extraplanetary organization. When it has appeared that the primary burden for the conduct of the war has been carried by an extra-planetary power, the Imperium has intervened.

One prohibition is clear and firm: use or possession of nuclear weapons, if discovered, and regardless of size or type, will almost certainly trigger Imperial intervention. The Imperium alone retains the rights to such weapons, because of their extreme destructive powers and the relatively low tech level at which they can be manufactured."

So two worlds within the Imperium can go to war, but the Imperuim MAY intervene if you tick them off or they think it might spill over and interrupt commerce. On a balkanized world two countries could go to war, but they could not use nukes against one another. Something along the lines of firebombing population centers might also trigger Imperial intervention, but if they stuck to pure military attacks, with the occasional 'oops', then most like there would be no intervention.

Rules like this make sense considering the size and scope of the Imperium. Small wars and raids are preferable to letting things build up and explode. An analogy might be the continual debate over letting forest fires burn. Should you let nature takes its course, or intervene and possibly cause yourself bigger disasters down the road?
 
As long as we don't insist on propagating the awful made-up word "sophont"...
Agreed on that.

This is kind of similar to the question about international law:

Any inter-polity war (or other situation where humanitarian law may apply) within Imperial space is bound by the hard limits of Imperial High Law.

Empires aren't bound by external laws they don't choose to be bound by any more than current terrestrial nations are. However, sensible international treaties* tend to be signed up to by most parties, and even nations that don't sign them usually agree to abide by them**. Whilst they may bin the appropriate piece of paper in the case of total unrestrained war, that rarely happens; even during the frontier wars, there have been relatively few cases of unrestrained orbital bombardment, for example. Equally, other, non-military humanitarian standards are generally even more widely spread.

The closest equivalent is international maritime law - there will be local rules, covered and superseded by Imperial High Law in imperial claimed space, which complies with or at least does not contradict any inter-empire agreements for merchant shipping, which applies across imperial space and to any imperial-registered ship in anyone else's space (and vice-versa with other signatories).

Things like spaceworthiness and jumpworthiness standards are the obvious thing that would be covered, along with a ship's rights and duties in humanitarian emergencies. The biggest example is 'Signal GK' - a ship detecting that signal is, I beleive, legally required to respond? I imagine the Imperium probably agrees the responsiblity to do the same, and the right to transmit said signal, in most interstellar shipping agreements.

* e.g. those outlawing the more extreme/unpleasent weapons systems like napalm or cluster munitions.

** e.g. The USA has a standing executive policy that it does not sign weapons limitation treaties but the US DOD has publicly stated that barring political instruction to the contrary or 'special situations' it will abide by the terms of the Land Mine treaty - the inability to provide technical assistance (especially disposal***) to the Republic of Korea (a non-signatory) army engineers on US-made land mines being an example of the sort of 'special situation' it reserves the rights for.

*** The sort of exemption that I always felt it was ~?&%^!!!ing stupid not to have in the treaty in the first place but then that's non-technical lawyers writing technical documents for you.
 
locarno24 said:
**e.g. The USA has a standing executive policy that it does not sign weapons limitation treaties

Not really. There is no "standing Exec policy" as each new President is not bound by the previous one. It is difficult to get the Senate to ratify such treaties...
 
I said standing 'policy', not standing executive order or law - as noted, policies can change, although it hasn't for the last twenty-five years or so.
 
locarno24 said:
I said standing 'policy', not standing executive order or law - as noted, policies can change, although it hasn't for the last twenty-five years or so.

Incorrect.

See weapon treaties signed by U.S. Pres. '96, '97 & 2010.
 
Wil Mireu said:
As long as we don't insist on propagating the awful made-up word "sophont"...

Whats wrong with "sophont"? Is there another term to use? Intelligence? Intelligent-being? Sapient?

And don't the Imperial Rules of War cover 'weapons of mass destruction', rather than just nuclear weapons? Nukes are bad enough but chemical and bioweapons fall under what you can't use on fellow sapients. Sophonts. Thinkers.

In any case that certainly comes under 'humanitarian' ("sophontarian?"... nah) consideration and law. A standard everyone must adhere to no matter where in the 3I you happen to be. And, IMO, anywhere outside of it that the 3I has any say in - I can't see a mercenary group sterilizing a world beyond the Imperial border being allowed to walk around in the 3I if their deeds come to light.

Things like spaceworthiness and jumpworthiness standards are the obvious thing that would be covered, along with a ship's rights and duties in humanitarian emergencies. The biggest example is 'Signal GK' - a ship detecting that signal is, I beleive, legally required to respond? I imagine the Imperium probably agrees the responsiblity to do the same, and the right to transmit said signal, in most interstellar shipping agreements

Rather than High Law I think these things just fall under the 'rules the space between the stars' idea of the 3I. The Imperium may not govern the territory of its member planets, but the one thing it does do is regulate, encourage and foster interstellar trade. Shipping standards and standards of conduct fall under that idea, not an idea of humanitarianism.
 
High Orbit Drifter said:
Whats wrong with "sophont"? Is there another term to use? Intelligence? Intelligent-being? Sapient?

It is actually quite elegant for in 'verse where humans are called "aliens".

Typically the IRoW is against nuclear and bioweapons; iirc CT sources such as Striker or Mercenary show chem weapons being used. IMO the gist of it is that one can kill people, but not 'salt the earth' so nobody can ever live there again.
 
High Orbit Drifter said:
Wil Mireu said:
As long as we don't insist on propagating the awful made-up word "sophont"...

Whats wrong with "sophont"? Is there another term to use? Intelligence? Intelligent-being? Sapient?

Everything's wrong with "sophont". It's a pretentious, stupid-sounding made-up word being bandied about as if it's real. It makes me want to shout at people who use it.

For one, "sapient" is a lot better and is at least based on a real word (though it's actually used as an adjective rather than a noun, it still sounds a lot less stupid IMO).

Even "Intelligent being" would work better. As would just "creature", or "entity".
 
Personally I don't mind the term sophont. I must hang around with the wrong crowd :wink:

"Sapients" is a legitimate use. "Creature" sounds like you are including manatees, cats and spotted owls. "Entities" sounds you are including ghosts. "Intelligence" seems clunky; intelligenarian doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

But looking at 'sophontarian' ... mmmm, you might have a point.
 
I have to say "entity" is my preferred, as it cam encompass really strange aliens who don't have very humanoid shapes (though the Third Imperium is obviously mainly a "rubber suit" setting).

"Person" also works.
 
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