Impale CM question

[Khamulcalle]

If I impale the opponent with my long spear in his head and I chose not to withdraw it, and the opponents weapon reach is shorter than my spear what can he do (his intention is to close in so he han attack)

Could the guy with the spear in his face use a CA to get rid of it or is this impossible?

/K

 

[PhilHibbs]

If I impale the opponent with my long spear in his head and I chose not to withdraw it, and the opponents weapon reach is shorter than my spear what can he do (his intention is to close in so he han attack)

Could the guy with the spear in his face use a CA to get rid of it or is this impossible?

If it was in his abdomen then he could do that thing where he pulls himself along the spear shaft to close on you, but if it's in his face then that isn't very realistic. If he wants to remove the spear, well clearly the spear is within his reach.

 

[Khamulcalle]

so if I have a CA I could use Brawn? to get clear of the spear but also take the damage as if it was yanked from the wound?

/K

 

[danskmacabre]

If you try to pull a weapon out of your body (IE via impale for example) and you're trying to do it in the middle of a combat (as opposed to NOT in combat and taking your time to carefully take it out) then I would rule you take the damage.

 

[DamonJynx]

If you try to pull a weapon out of your body (IE via impale for example) and you're trying to do it in the middle of a combat (as opposed to NOT in combat and taking your time to carefully take it out) then I would rule you take the damage.

I think that's actually RAW for use with the brawn skill. Either the attacker, or victim can spend a CA and pull out the offending item with the brawn skill and the victim takes appropriate damage.

If he doesn't remove it, he can still act normally, albeit with penalties to all skills (-10 or -20 I think, depending on location? - that may not be 100% correct).

 

[DamonJynx]

If you try to pull a weapon out of your body (IE via impale for example) and you're trying to do it in the middle of a combat (as opposed to NOT in combat and taking your time to carefully take it out) then I would rule you take the damage.

I think that's actually RAW for use with the brawn skill. Either the attacker, or victim can spend a CA and pull out the offending item with the brawn skill and the victim takes appropriate damage.

If he doesn't remove it, he can still act normally, albeit with penalties to all skills (-10 or -20 I think, depending on location? - that may not be 100% correct).

Leaving the weapon in the wound infl icts a skill penalty; –10% per
size category of the weapon (for example, –10% for small weapons
such as arrows or daggers, –20% for medium weapons and so on).
Successfully withdrawing an impaled weapon during melee costs
a Combat Action and requires a successful Brawn roll. This causes
further injury to the same location equal to the normal damage
roll for that weapon but without any Damage Modifi er.

Not sure if the withdrawing is only for the attacker.
Edit: After reading the First Aid skill, I would say either can remove the impaling item as above. If the victim attempts to remove it without causing further damage, they must disengage from combat and make a successful First Aid roll at -10% or have one of their buddies do it out of combat with no penalty.

 

[danskmacabre]

I would probably rule if you're puilling it out in combat and you want to do it fast, then a brawn check and you take the damage as if an enemy was poulling it out.

If you pull it out out of combat slowly, then a first aid check is probably more in order I'd guess and on success avoid any further damage with taking maybe reduced damage on a failure and full damage on a fumble.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Nez]

Generally, if impaled in reality, emergency services won't yank the offending item out. It would definitely do damage. They would operate to remove it. I know this from experience.

 

[Dan True]

Generally, if impaled in reality, emergency services won't yank the offending item out. It would definitely do damage. They would operate to remove it. I know this from experience.

I was told the same in basic training. A trooper goes down, just stop the bleeding - not even the trained medics will touch it... They'll let the real doctors handle that, back at the aid station.

And I don't think an arrow or spear is much different from a bullet, in that way.

- Dan

 

[danskmacabre]

I'm sure you're both right. But in an RPG I won't be bothering with that level of realism.
A simple 1st aid check will be good enough for me.

"Real heroes pull out impales and grin and bear it!"

 

[Dan True]

I'm sure you're both right. But in an RPG I won't be bothering with that level of realism.
A simple 1st aid check will be good enough for me.

"Real heroes pull out impales and grin and bear it!"

Yup, I can understand that. If you want your players to take the arrow to their chest with a grin, then go for it
Sometimes you want bad-ass play.

But, it is even more badass to take the brawn check, damage yourself (without redution from AP) and then take the damage

- Dan

 

[danskmacabre]

I will still apply the usual rules for serious wounds, major wounds etc. I'm just not going to make it a big drama to remove weapons, arrows etc that impale above and beyond what I have already stated.

And yeah, if pulp fantasy book heroes can snap arrows and pull them out with a manly roar! then RPG heroes should be able to as well.

 

[PhilHibbs]

"Real heroes pull out impales and grin and bear it!"

Nah, real heroes pull themselves along the spear shaft and behead the guy holding it.

 

[danskmacabre]

Nah, real heroes pull themselves along the spear shaft and behead the guy holding it.

Lol, I remember seeing a movie where some guy does something like that (minus the beheading bit), but I can't remember which one it was.
I'm sure there was probably more than one movie that did that mind.

 

[PhilHibbs]

Nah, real heroes pull themselves along the spear shaft and behead the guy holding it.

Lol, I remember seeing a movie where some guy does something like that (minus the beheading bit), but I can't remember which one it was.
I'm sure there was probably more than one movie that did that mind.

An orc tries it in LotR, but Aragorn pulls out the sword and beheads him. One of the Crazy 88 tries it but fails. I think it's usually a bad guy thing, but there's no reason why a heroic PC shouldn't be able to spend a Hero Point to do it and maybe another one to resist the aggravated wound.

 

[danskmacabre]

Yeah the Lotr Orc rings a bell, I have seen Kill ill, can't remember the guy pulling himself along a sword, but there were loads of cool scenes in that movie, not surprised it was in there.

I seem to remember an older movie as well, but the name escapes me. Oh well. And yeah, seems to be the sort of thing a bad guy would do.. heh, but sure why not have a hero try that out as well if he's so inclined!

 

[PhilHibbs]

Yeah the Lotr Orc rings a bell, I have seen Kill Bill, can't remember the guy pulling himself along a sword,

Girl. It was in the third wave - Miki first, then three guys, then a guy and a girl.

 

[danskmacabre]

Ah I remember! It was the movie Excalibur when Mordred stabs Arthur with a spear and Arthur pulls himself up the spearshaft and kills Modred.

Phew, I wasn't going to get any sleep tonight until I remembered that!

 

[PhilHibbs]

Ah I remember! It was the movie Excalibur when Mordred stabs Arthur with a spear and Arthur pulls himself up the spearshaft and kills Modred.

Of course! Thanks. Now I have to watch it at the week-end.

 

[danskmacabre]

Heh, I love the Excalibur "Mood Armor". Whenever they're all depressed and sad about something their armor goes all rusty and dirty.
However when everyone's happy and stuff suddenly it's all clean and shiny!