Howard was right...
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VincentDarlage
Mongoose
That is pretty darn awesome! Thanks for the link!
toothill man
Mongoose
strange but there were cases in europe of small native people the case made against joan of arc which lead to her burning was she talked to and was known too the little people also these mini humans could be the germ of truth which became brownies etc
toothill man
Mongoose
she was found guilty because she not the nobles ruled the mob but the french clergy found her guilty on the charge of meeting and consorting with the small folk they called devils and that is why she was burned not beheaded or hung
toothill man
Mongoose
the clergy claimed the voice was of these small folk and not of god so she burned as a heretic
The King
Cosmic Mongoose
Yes she had a charismatic power over the army and the nobles were jealous, that is why they didn't help her as she required and gave her a small army that lost the battle and Joan of Arc was captured.toothill man said:
As to the small folk I never heard about it.
She was called a witch but I'm not sure what was the reason (I think it's because she wore male clothes) and witches were burned at that time.
Sutek
Mongoose
They had to call her a witch because she won the battle. If they'd called her a heretic it would have put the church in a dark light and they had to lable her as something evil.
No little people. Not God. Saints.
Read thishttp://joan-of-arc.org/joanofarc_short_biography.html.
No little people. Not God. Saints.
Read thishttp://joan-of-arc.org/joanofarc_short_biography.html.
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Anonymous
Guest
It's interesting when you consider that the word 'Heresy' originally
meant 'choice', but it has been co-opted by the church to mean
anti christ.
I also think it's funny that Jesus was put to death by the Romans
for practicing magic. The specific charge he was arrested for at the
time, and in local lingo, meant just that.
Basically history gets written by the winner, so you can't necessarily
trust it because it's propaganda...
meant 'choice', but it has been co-opted by the church to mean
anti christ.
I also think it's funny that Jesus was put to death by the Romans
for practicing magic. The specific charge he was arrested for at the
time, and in local lingo, meant just that.
Basically history gets written by the winner, so you can't necessarily
trust it because it's propaganda...
The King
Cosmic Mongoose
If I remember well Jesus was put to death because he chastised the rich Jews who were corrupted and would have nothing to do with anything else but power and money. The Council of the Elder considered him an heretic because he said he was the son of God.Anonymous said:
For the Romans he was but a scum who didn't care a bit. They flailed him and wanted then to free him when the Elder Jews wanted him be put to death. As the Romans needed the Elder to keep the Jews quiet, they did it.
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Anonymous
Guest
Suggest you keep up on your reading then...
Modern scholars do not in fact think he even died on the cross.
Something to do with the fact that it normally took 3 days to die
from being crucified.
The bible states he was taken down in just one day...
They have also confirmed, as per my statement, that the charge
was one of sorcery (but I agree that politics often plays a part).
Interestingly enough Simon the Magus, who was also around at
that time, is reputed to have done similar deeds as Jesus, however
his abilities were ascribed to the 'dark side' :lol: , whereas Jesus'
abilities were obviously 'God' given.
Apart from that, most of what Jesus is reputed to have done has
actually been stolen from earlier stories of other great personages.
eg John the Baptist...& even back to people within the Egyptian Cult
of Isis.
Modern biblical scholars have been theorising that Jesus was actually
a priest of Isis, and Mary Magdalene was his Priestess. Yes the vary
same Mary - the reformed prostitute...after all the early church was
woman hating & what better way to relegate someone important
to a background place...
Back to my point of History being written by the winner & not necessarily
being the 'Gospel' truth.
(Even taking into account the fact that the 4 gospels of the New
Testament were chosen from more than 50 by the church fathers
about 400 years after the great man lived...and said same gospels
having been 'edited' in the years since, to please thinking of the times)
Modern scholars do not in fact think he even died on the cross.
Something to do with the fact that it normally took 3 days to die
from being crucified.
The bible states he was taken down in just one day...
They have also confirmed, as per my statement, that the charge
was one of sorcery (but I agree that politics often plays a part).
Interestingly enough Simon the Magus, who was also around at
that time, is reputed to have done similar deeds as Jesus, however
his abilities were ascribed to the 'dark side' :lol: , whereas Jesus'
abilities were obviously 'God' given.
Apart from that, most of what Jesus is reputed to have done has
actually been stolen from earlier stories of other great personages.
eg John the Baptist...& even back to people within the Egyptian Cult
of Isis.
Modern biblical scholars have been theorising that Jesus was actually
a priest of Isis, and Mary Magdalene was his Priestess. Yes the vary
same Mary - the reformed prostitute...after all the early church was
woman hating & what better way to relegate someone important
to a background place...
Back to my point of History being written by the winner & not necessarily
being the 'Gospel' truth.
(Even taking into account the fact that the 4 gospels of the New
Testament were chosen from more than 50 by the church fathers
about 400 years after the great man lived...and said same gospels
having been 'edited' in the years since, to please thinking of the times)
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Anonymous
Guest
Anonymous said:
Maybe wasn't quite dead yet...
Though we are told that he was also stabbed in teh side with a pilum, so the estimates for Crucifixion alone don't necessarily apply.
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Back on topic:
have I missed something, am I being spectacularly obtuse, but wy is this such a big deal? There have been, and still are, whole tribes of pygmies living in Africa and Asia for centuries!
Why the furore over a single long-dead pygmy when there are ample living specimens available.
(well, maybe not ample, especially in recent years thanks to events in Africa, but you get the point)
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Back on topic:
have I missed something, am I being spectacularly obtuse, but wy is this such a big deal? There have been, and still are, whole tribes of pygmies living in Africa and Asia for centuries!
Why the furore over a single long-dead pygmy when there are ample living specimens available.
(well, maybe not ample, especially in recent years thanks to events in Africa, but you get the point)
The Warlord
Mongoose
Which was written as a work of fiction.
Well, I'm by no means an expert, but from basic reading, one can tell there's several theories floating out there. Not all Modern scholars subscribe to this one. Not only that, but it's disturbing how this guest is assured the works of Jesus was stolen. Highly doubtful. Everything is posted with certainty, and this kind of one sided certainty in a theological conversation usually comes from limited background knowledge.
I suggest we all do a little more reading...
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Anonymous
Guest
Nope, never read the DaVinci Code, although I've heard it's a good story.
But you're right about the 'theories' aspect...
No-one can know now what happened then, I was just trying to make
the point that it's not all as cut and dried as many people think. Most
people just take it as verbatim, however even church scholars are
beginning to admit that many of the 'Jesus' stories are not based in
fact - rather they have been subsumed from older 'pagan' religions
to assist Christianity in overcoming resistance.
I did read an interesting take on the story about the creating of
loaves & fishes, and water into wine story the other day. Some
schools of thought say that this was for his own wedding. Cool -
definitely cut down on the catering bill.
Cheers, have a great day.
PS. This is in fact an area of interest for me, and as such I have done
a heck of a lot of reading on the subject. (Including reading the bible.)
I also must admit to the fact that the more I read about 'organised'
religion, the less enthused I become about it. It seems to me to be
mostly about control, rather than living a worthy life.
So, as you can see - I recognise & can admit my own bias'. At the
same time I consider myself a spiritual person, albeit an idealistic one
who wishes that humanity didn't have to get in it's own way so much
of the time!
But you're right about the 'theories' aspect...
No-one can know now what happened then, I was just trying to make
the point that it's not all as cut and dried as many people think. Most
people just take it as verbatim, however even church scholars are
beginning to admit that many of the 'Jesus' stories are not based in
fact - rather they have been subsumed from older 'pagan' religions
to assist Christianity in overcoming resistance.
I did read an interesting take on the story about the creating of
loaves & fishes, and water into wine story the other day. Some
schools of thought say that this was for his own wedding. Cool -
definitely cut down on the catering bill.
Cheers, have a great day.
PS. This is in fact an area of interest for me, and as such I have done
a heck of a lot of reading on the subject. (Including reading the bible.)
I also must admit to the fact that the more I read about 'organised'
religion, the less enthused I become about it. It seems to me to be
mostly about control, rather than living a worthy life.
So, as you can see - I recognise & can admit my own bias'. At the
same time I consider myself a spiritual person, albeit an idealistic one
who wishes that humanity didn't have to get in it's own way so much
of the time!
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