Has Mongoose Decided if Legend Will be Released under the ORC license?

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In the previous OGL thread, when asked if Legend would be released using the ORC license, Matt responded:

It is something we will be looking at.

Now that the final wording of the license has been released, has a decision been made on whether or not Mongoose will release Legend under the ORC license or is it sill being considered, but no decision made?
 
To be honest, the ORC license is a bit complex but seems a natural successor to the OGL. I'll be happy if Traveller goes down this route - I've been tinkering with the system a lot recently.
 
We want to get Traveller straight first - after that, we will look at Legend but, at first glance, I cannot see a reason not to. Let Traveller do the trailblazing and Legend will follow!
I saw that you decided to drop using the ORC license for Traveller. Does that mean that Legend won't be released under the ORC?
 
Ducks still waddling, a fair few things scattering them at the moment (the metaphor may be getting laboured...).
You quack me up!

But seriously, there are some interesting synergies developing in the d100 arena at the moment.

Newt Newport released the latest version of OpenQuest under Creative Commons.

Chaosium released the latest edition of Basic Roleplaying under the ORC license.

Design Mechanism has released Mythras Imperative and Classic Fantasy Imperative under the ORC license.

Legend and Renaissance are the last major d100 variants still using the OGL..

Personally, I like what EN Publishing did with their Advanced 5e variant - they implemented a dual licensing scheme where people could continue to use the OGL, or switch to ORC / Creative Commons...
 
Just wanted to throw this option out in addition to the ORC license, it would be cool for Legend to get a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA license. Ars Magica is currently making all their 5th edition and some earlier edition books CC-BY-SA and Wizards of the Coast of course released 5E as CC-BY.

Mythic Europe setting from Ars Magica with the Legend rpg rules would be a cool combination.
 
Just wanted to throw this option out in addition to the ORC license, it would be cool for Legend to get a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA license. Ars Magica is currently making all their 5th edition and some earlier edition books CC-BY-SA and Wizards of the Coast of course released 5E as CC-BY.

Mythic Europe setting from Ars Magica with the Legend rpg rules would be a cool combination.
I second the use of CC-BY. It offers the broadest range of compatibility with the different types of open content licenses used for RPGs.
 
Legend
As things stand, Legend continues to run on OGL and, for our part at least, this will not change.

As for Mongoose’s own work on Legend, for quite some time we have been looking at doing a new edition of the game. However, while we will be bringing a new fantasy RPG to light in the future, it will not be driven by Legend. Because of that, we will be sunsetting our own publishing plans for it and effectively turning it over to the community.

May your creations be wondrous and fantastic!

So Legend is basically dead in the water insofar as anything new for it. That's a real shame. I can't say I'm surprised, but it's a shame.
 
I second the use of CC-BY. It offers the broadest range of compatibility with the different types of open content licenses used for RPGs.

Some Creative Commons licences have the advantages of being compatible with the ORC licence.

D&D 5e is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License available at https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode.

The main difference between that license and the Sharealike licence (CC-BY-SA) is that it isn't viral. CC-BY-CA contains one additional clause, which is:

"If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original."

This effectively prevents you from mixing CC-BY-SA content with ORC or OGL content. This is permitted under the CC-BY licence.

EN Publishing gives the following neat explanation of the different Creative Commons licences:

The six CC license types are:

CC-BY (credit required)
CC BY-SA (credit required, adaptions must use the same license)
CC BY-NC (credit required, non-commercial use only)
CC BY-NC-SA (credit required, non-commercial use only, adaptions must use the same license)
CC BY-ND (credit required, no derivatives or adaptions)
CC BY-NC-ND (credit required, no derivatives or adaptions, non-commercial use only)


The advantage of the various Creative Commons licences is that they are well-supported, well-tested in court both, and widely known throughout the industry.

They are also simple to implement. All Mongoose would need to do is produce an attribution statement like the one below for EN Publishing's Advanced 5e SRD. It might also be advisable to list the specific publications covered by the licence to avoid complications with works such as Deus Vult and Sheoloth.

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So Legend is basically dead in the water insofar as anything new for it. That's a real shame. I can't say I'm surprised, but it's a shame.
I still think there is room in the market for a system somewhere between OpenQuest and Mythras / BR:UGE in terms of complexity. I like all these games, but OpenQuest is a bit too lightweight and Mythras / BRUGE have too many subsystems. Legend has always had the potential to hit that sweet spot.
 
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