Gaim taken as allies

[mollari_uk]

The Gaim seem even more broken when taken as allies. Can I clarify a few points.

1) It looks like the double VP's for queens don't count when taken as allies or part of the league. So what prevents someone from taking an entire Gaim fleet as a league race just to ignore this disadvantage?

2) In a campaign Gaim get back all their fighters. This rule seems to apply in a league fleet too. Does this also apply to those taken as allies (such as for the ISA)?

 

[CheesyRobMan]

In answer to 1), I thought to be a League fleet in the first place you had to have more than one LONAW race represented? So a fleet made up 100% of Abbai ships is an Abbai fleet, not a League fleet for example. Or am I wrong on that?

 

[mollari_uk]

Ok, but you could pick 1 patrol ship from another race. There by getting round that.

 

[Burger]

1) You are right, but the Queens don't offer much of an advantage in a combined league fleet either. They don't get the +1 CQ or the CQ-sharing acrss the squadron.

2) Yes.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Don't you have to take an entire FAP of another League race if you play a combined League fleet? or am I insane?

 

[Burger]

You're insane You can take as much or as little of any race as you like.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Fair play. I've been insane these twenty-four years, why change the habit of a lifetime?

I do know you can't take a fighter wing from a race without at least one accompanying ship from that race - so no Delta-V wings without at least a modified freighter to accompany them, for instance.

 

[Burger]

Yep, correct - its all on page 5 of the fleet book.

 

[mollari_uk]

Oh, so that changes it slightly.

So in order for the ISA to take a billion unkillable Gaim fighters to battle, they must also send a Gaim ship to the battle too?

 

[Burger]

Ah no no, that is for League ships. ISA can take 1 FAP completely of Gaim fighters if they like.

 

[SylvrDragon]

I still am yet to see what's the problem with the game. The AF trait ruins their fighters swarms and e-mines can't quit. You people are all up in arms about absolutely nothing. The Gaim don't scare me one single bit, and that applies as any race I might consider playing.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

They don't need to crit to demolish ships like Vorchans or other low-level ships, and they can pummel your bigger ships to bits with the fighters. Not many have enough AF to stop them...

 

[Burger]

I still am yet to see what's the problem with the game. The AF trait ruins their fighters swarms

Ahem. Right, your ship has anti-fighter 2. There are 6 Gaim suicide fighters heading towards you. How many do you think you're going to shoot down? 2 at the most, if you roll well. They are hull 4, so on average you'll shoot down one fighter. So the other 5 hit you. I'd hardly call that ruining their fighter swarm...

You people are all up in arms about absolutely nothing. The Gaim don't scare me one single bit, and that applies as any race I might consider playing.

Ever fought them? Or even seen them in action?

 

[Sigmar357]

Are the gaim that scary as a oppenent to play? I havent really fully read over there rules and Only had 1 game myself.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Are the gaim that scary as a oppenent to play? I havent really fully read over there rules and Only had 1 game myself.

Ever seen 200 fighter counters on a table? With a line of e-mine wielding ships at 40" from you? Either force could have demolished the fleet I had, together I had no chance at all. Yeah, they're that scary...

*haunted look*

 

[Sigmar357]

Are the gaim that scary as a oppenent to play? I havent really fully read over there rules and Only had 1 game myself.

Ever seen 200 fighter counters on a table? With a line of e-mine wielding ships at 40" from you? Either force could have demolished the fleet I had, together I had no chance at all. Yeah, they're that scary...

*haunted look*

Ehh...what the hell 200 fighters? loads of e-mines now i'm freaking scaried. I hope these fleets aint common in tournments :shock: .

 

[Greg Smith]

At 5 point raid they could bring more than 100 fighters to the table, or alternatively 80AD of emines at 40" range.

The emines may not be able to crit, but they are turretted, so they can bring all of their firepower to bear on one ship - and no defences apply - not stealth, not interceptors, not dodge.

 

[Triggy]

Are the gaim that scary as a oppenent to play? I havent really fully read over there rules and Only had 1 game myself.

Ever seen 200 fighter counters on a table? With a line of e-mine wielding ships at 40" from you? Either force could have demolished the fleet I had, together I had no chance at all. Yeah, they're that scary...

*haunted look*

Ehh...what the hell 200 fighters? loads of e-mines now i'm freaking scaried. I hope these fleets aint common in tournments :shock: .

We've seen 176 fighters in at least one 5 FAP Raid tournament fleet. Looks like any organiser worth his salt should but a hold on the use of any Gaim ship until they're looked at...

 

[Burger]

We've seen 176 fighters in at least one 5 FAP Raid tournament fleet.

How did they manage that? Most I can get is 114 fighters and 20 breaching pods...

 

[Triggy]

My mistake, you're right, I was thinking of the Battle PL fleet.