Excel Ship Designer v2025.02.08
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Then don’t do it in your Traveller Universe. The spreadsheet if for the Mongoose rules set and it is legal, if dangerous, in that. Official canon is what is in the Mongoose game these days and the previous editions are the alternates for them whether we like that or not. They aren’t violating canon because they are canon.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I simply declined to PREVENT you from doing something stupid, thereby allowing both camps to design ships.
Trying to get up the nerve to add higher tech companion weapons before releasing it.
That expandable rock thrower was throwing me off (need to stay away from that spot marked place ore here).
I'm thinking that since expanding capacity does nothing to damage, the bay will be in the weapons section, and the expansion will be in 9b-Options. That way, I don't have to completely redesign the weapons page to accommodate a makeshift weapon whose main purpose is saving money on ore hauling. I'll interlock it so you can't select upgraded capacity unless the initial bay is installed.
Trying to get up the nerve to add higher tech companion weapons before releasing it.
That expandable rock thrower was throwing me off (need to stay away from that spot marked place ore here).
I'm thinking that since expanding capacity does nothing to damage, the bay will be in the weapons section, and the expansion will be in 9b-Options. That way, I don't have to completely redesign the weapons page to accommodate a makeshift weapon whose main purpose is saving money on ore hauling. I'll interlock it so you can't select upgraded capacity unless the initial bay is installed.
Pg 237 Aliens of Charted Space 2 “Attempting to send a ship through jumpspace without people on board enormously increases the risk of
misjump, for reasons unknown. In addition to the DM-4 for the autoplot, a vessel suffers an additional DM-4 if there are no conscious minds aboard. Low-berth passengers are by definition not conscious and experiments with highly intelligent but non-sentient minds have produced wildly differing results.” So while it is possible the total of -8 makes it unlikely to work even on a 4+ since it has an additional-1 per jump distance.
There’s unfortunately until recently a lot of “Author had no clue” in mongoose Traveller, that does seem to be changing thankfully but you can see it in Pirates of Drinax, 70% of the ships that have been done, and the vehicle handbook.
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EccentRick
Banded Mongoose
The thought-spice must flow.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
I couldn't give two hoots for an obscure rule in an obscure supplement based on a bit of fanon that made it into the companion (and are therefore options not baseline setting rules), that is contradicted by :
xboats can function without a crew no problem
pilot robots - you can have a robot with pilot, navigation, engineering crew a ship no problem
Vampire Fleets - no one on board...
and a whole lot more.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
It's obvious why it was added.
Jump torpedoes.
Jump torpedoes.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Stupidly dangerous doesn’t mean impossible. Also, if you put Bob the Space Cowboy aboard, the odds of trouble go way down. Bob doesn’t know astrogation but somehow manages to figure out which solution is better. Only DM-2 with good old Bob on the scene.
The whole “for unknown reasons” thing (twice in the section you quoted) is idiotic. They wanted an outcome without any way to justify it, and literally made up an unbelievable reason. As per Rule 1, I ignore that. It’s rank idiocy and should be purged from the rules.
They are getting better, but there is a lot of cleanup left for them. This is one of those things.
It Jump drive and deals with sci-fi tech so being salty because you don’t like the rule isn’t really helpful. No one said you have to follow it in your game. If you think out it if you ignore it you vastly change the Charted Space Setting. Also this is not the first sci-fi that requires crew for FTL.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Perhaps it's not being helpful, but it makes me feel better.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
The point being it wasn't part of Traveller for over thirty five years and is suddenly introduced as an option then made setting canon by someone who doesn't know the setting well enough to realise it has no place being included.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Good point.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
We can blame Grandfather. Jump drive, and the extra dimensions that it uses, did not exist until Yadroyskay built them -- there are other FTL Drives, but Jump specifically was created to:
1} be easier to discover and harness; and
2} be subject to the (subject to change) specifications that Grandfather laid out.
One of those 'specifications' is that the presence of a sophont is required; Grandfather can obviously get around this at will for his servitors.
Once the grand plan for building the extra dimensions required to make Jump drive work was completed (~100000 years ago), Grandfather went on to other projects... but he (and his servitors) still monitors the goings-on in ships in jump-space.
[Edit: Yeah, this is off-topic; sorry. /Edit]
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Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I just fail to see where this enters into ship building.
A rule was found and presented that lets ships delete the bridge. I implemented it without requiring an entire crew to be replaced, sidestepping the sophont rule.
What you do with that is on (you) or (your) GM, and prolonged discussions of things that are permitted, but are not likely to be successful are better left to their own dedicated threads. Like the design philosophy one.
A rule was found and presented that lets ships delete the bridge. I implemented it without requiring an entire crew to be replaced, sidestepping the sophont rule.
What you do with that is on (you) or (your) GM, and prolonged discussions of things that are permitted, but are not likely to be successful are better left to their own dedicated threads. Like the design philosophy one.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
It's also what I have been saying for years. Grandfather invented a machine that could partially match psionic teleportation. This required him detonating a device that spread a wave at light speed throughout the galaxy. In the wake of that wave a mechanical jump drive could access the jump dimensions previously only accessible to psionics. The exact mechanism of jump is different to psionic teleportation, but it would for for getting around the galaxy a bit faster.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
Have you seen / do you have the recent bundles:
Bundle of Holding - Sector failure
bundleofholding.com
Bundle of Holding - Past its sell-by date
bundleofholding.com
If there were a clandestine (which I have nothing to do with, honest -- and besides, I deny any such effort exists) passing-of-the-hat to get you more rules, might they make it into the sheet?
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I just send him screen shots of new rules that I find.Have you seen / do you have the recent bundles:
Bundle of Holding - Sector failure
Bundle of Holding - Past its sell-by date
If there were a clandestine (which I have nothing to do with, honest -- and besides, I deny any such effort exists) passing-of-the-hat to get you more rules, might they make it into the sheet?
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I have the stuff in the second one, but I think most of it is implemented.Have you seen / do you have the recent bundles:
Bundle of Holding - Sector failure
Bundle of Holding - Past its sell-by date
If there were a clandestine (which I have nothing to do with, honest -- and besides, I deny any such effort exists) passing-of-the-hat to get you more rules, might they make it into the sheet?
For the Sectors, I have Behind the Claw, WBH, 3I, and Rim Expeditions.
PMs are less conspicuous.
