Not really.
For 2d6x10 you have 20-120 with a mean of 70
For 7Dx3 you have 21-126 with a mean of 73,5
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For 2d6x10 you have 20-120 with a mean of 70
For 7Dx3 you have 21-126 with a mean of 73,5
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
The 2D6 x10 was before the tripling for being a Barbette weapon. The old damage resulted in a curve from 60 to 360, with the average at 210.
The new damage includes the tripling for being a Barbette weapon; resulting in a curve from 21 to 126, with an average at 73.5.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Now that I have the summary listing everything line by line, is there a desire to move things like fuel purifiers to the systems/equipment section or leave them as is.
To me the fuel purifiers in fuel make sense, but Mongoose puts them under systems.
Convenience or Compliance? Or no one cares?
To me the fuel purifiers in fuel make sense, but Mongoose puts them under systems.
Convenience or Compliance? Or no one cares?
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
There isn't any official standard, it's more where the author feels like putting things. Fuel purifiers I have always seen under Systems though. Now sensor stations on the other hand might be listed under the bridge, under sensors or under systems.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I agree with these sentiments. While it might make some sense to keep them with the fuel, we're all used to seeing them as a system.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
I like having all-things-fuel-related on a single tab; and I would be against changing that. Listing Fuel purifiers under 'Systems' on the summary page would be fine. Also listing 'Sensors', 'Computer', and 'Auxiliary Control areas' under 'Bridge' seems sensible.
I might be tempted to separate the 'Crew' area from the 'Mission' area, but that might be too big of an ask.
I might be tempted to separate the 'Crew' area from the 'Mission' area, but that might be too big of an ask.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Thanks. If we get a consensus on sensor stations, I'll move them to bridge or leave them in sensors.
Anything else that might need a better/different placement?
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
The tabs are not moving. I am ONLY talking about the summary, so that it more readily matches existing Mongoose ships.
It'll never be exact.
Tell me more (or show with a screen shot) your ideas on Crew.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I'm for moving the sensor stations (and number of sensor actions) to the bridge area of the summary. I have no strong feelings on the fuel purifiers.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
A ship has the bits which are essential to it being a working ship -- bridge, engineering, etc. The rest of it is allocated to whatever the ship does, its' 'mission'. A passenger ship puts passengers there; a cargo transport puts cargo there; a warship puts armor, marines, and weapons there; a scout puts special sensors; a prospecting ship puts excavation & ore-handling equipment, etc.
The 'crew' are part of the 'vital to being a ship' bit. Generally, it is good security practice to separate the 'ship' bits from passengers and other 'non-ship' bits. Mostly this is about drawing deck-plans; but it also allows easier thinking about modularization. On the 'Summary' sheet it might start with just putting all the 'non-crew' staterooms (and their common areas) on a separate line; other stuff like 'Laboratories' and 'Med Bays' can be decided later.
Speaking of common areas, does Biosphere count towards the required amount of common area?
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
There isn't a required amount of common area, just suggestions. Biosphere is a separate component and not part of common area, but feel free to count it as such if that works.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Biospheres are technically a life support alternative. It gets drawn in with common areas in liners and observation decks because it can be an aesthetic feature - that cuts operating costs!
The items in the Entertainment section do count as common areas... We just don't have a good chart ratios of common area to accommodations to moral to warrant keeping track. At least not without changing that sheet a bit.
The items in the Entertainment section do count as common areas... We just don't have a good chart ratios of common area to accommodations to moral to warrant keeping track. At least not without changing that sheet a bit.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Monetarily, they don't pay for themselves.
So, make the pay off psychological.
So, make the pay off psychological.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Assuming six months in space per year, and a liner is going to aim for more than that, the breakeven point is a bit before your seventeenth year. Over the 40 year mortgage, it pays for itself twice and then some.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Hulls and Options
73. A half tonne of biosphere eliminates the life support costs of a passenger (how about crew?).
74. It doesn't mention if it also eliminates the life support cost of the default accompanying stateroom.
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77. Not accounting for hull tonnage and mortgage repayments, but including early fusion power plant, it would take ten and a half years of continuous occupation to break even with a biosphere per person.
78. Great for generation ships, probably less so for those who tend to stick to fortnightly cycles of jumping, surfing to the next starport, and pubcrawling, until it's time to ship out.
73. A half tonne of biosphere eliminates the life support costs of a passenger (how about crew?).
74. It doesn't mention if it also eliminates the life support cost of the default accompanying stateroom.
...
77. Not accounting for hull tonnage and mortgage repayments, but including early fusion power plant, it would take ten and a half years of continuous occupation to break even with a biosphere per person.
78. Great for generation ships, probably less so for those who tend to stick to fortnightly cycles of jumping, surfing to the next starport, and pubcrawling, until it's time to ship out.
