EA omicron light cruiser and vorlon frigate

[[Omicron]Urobach]

have readed this in S&P51: EA omicron light cruiser and vorlon frigate comes in the future.
there are some more infos about??? :wink:
pics, concept-artwork??

 

[Shadow Queen]

have readed this in S&P51: EA omicron light cruiser and vorlon frigate comes in the future.
there are some more infos about??? :wink:
pics, concept-artwork??

there was I thinking that you were going to do them.

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

have readed this in S&P51: EA omicron light cruiser and vorlon frigate comes in the future.
there are some more infos about??? :wink:
pics, concept-artwork??

there was I thinking that you were going to do them.

Same here, derina...

It's certainly not in the "upcoming releases" section yet... But interesting. I'm downloadning SP51 now.

 

[Chernobyl]

Wouldn't hurt!!

Chern

 

[Triggy]

Rules are in progress, I haven't seen any models for them yet...

 

[H]

phew, thank god for that, their was me thinking the EA would struggle for ships.

 

[Da Boss]

Well at least we are getting one new Vorlon ship - a Shadow one or two would also be great

 

[Triggy]

phew, thank god for that, their was me thinking the EA would struggle for ships.

Well, it's been a big complaint of the Crusade fleet list that they have a gap (1st ed. at Skirmish, 2nd ed. at Raid), just the same as the Vorlons and Shadows have gaps too.

 

[Da Boss]

Cool so we get something for the Shadows then to fill in the yawning gap below Raid?

 

[wierdo]

Well hopefully the Brakiri are going to get at least one Patrol level ship as well although it would be nice if each of the fleets get at the very least a new varient to use with the existing ships.

 

[Frohike]

bah, you had me excited there would be pics!

 

[Triggy]

Cool so we get something for the Shadows then to fill in the yawning gap below Raid?

Hopefully but I have no news on this at the moment. All I can say is that at this stage, a lot is still on the table and suggestions are still the order of the day rather than fine tuning.

 

[H]

phew, thank god for that, their was me thinking the EA would struggle for ships.

Well, it's been a big complaint of the Crusade fleet list that they have a gap (1st ed. at Skirmish, 2nd ed. at Raid), just the same as the Vorlons and Shadows have gaps too.

It's one of those things that defines a fleets style though. I'd hate to think the designers will fill every gap, that then makes fleets a bit too generic, heck, the narn need a dedicated fleet carrier, the drakh need fighters, the minbari need patrol ships etc. don't add them! we don't want all fleets the same.

 

[locarno24]

True. To be fair, I agree with a smaller shadow ship, though.

The vorlons don't really need a smaller ship as a skirmish vessel (transport) covers most of your needs, whilst a raid-level ship (shadow scout) is a problem in patrol-priority games.

(By comparison, even crusade EA has damn good ships at all priority levels. What is so bad about the damned hyperion-class heavy cruiser all of a sudden?)

The Vorlon Frigate will presumably be raid-priority (on the grounds that B5 tends to call a frigate smaller than a destroyer but it's hard to imagine it being weaker than a glorified shuttlecraft).

As to an EA light cruiser - depends. The Marathon cruiser is battle, which would suggest a raid priority light cruiser when talking crusade era tech.

Still, always good to see new ships.

 

[Target]

All races need atleast 1 ship at every priority except armagedon. means they can use the point breakdowns.
The Hyperion just looks out of place in the crusade era.
Would like to see Shadow & Vorlon fleets filled out a little.
Also would like a raider box set as well.

 

[EDFDarkAngel1]

The Hyperion is hardly out of place. It's an awesome Raid or Skirmish level ship, and fills a very important gap for EA.

Especially against the beam-happy ISA and Minbari, having a Raid level ship with a decent beam weapon is crucial. Plus it is fairly manueverable, and can take more punishment than your average White Star.

Dark Angel

 

[Ripple]

Agree with Target here.

The reason you can no longer have pl gaps is the decision to limit breakdowns to one step at a time. Blocking fleets out of basic rules use is never a good idea. (about the only such thing I've seen work okay is the drahk lack of fighters... and that is due to how geg works and the fact that most fighters have few dice.) Both patrol and Arm can be missing without breaking the basic buy down system, but the middle levels need to be filled.

The Hyperion isn't an issue due to stats, it's that stylistically it doesn't match the rest of the crusade EA. Even thematically it's somewhat questionable, the Nova doesn't make it and it's a newer hull than the hyperion. If your saying the crusade era is the crusade era because ea took so many losses why are they bringing back one of the oldest designs? Just saying the assault hyp makes sense as a refit of older hulls not really fit for mainline battle anymore, but the regular hyp was already being replaced.

Ripple

 

[H]

but then fluffwise, the hyperion HAS been replaced, by the Marathon.

 

[Da Boss]

phew, thank god for that, their was me thinking the EA would struggle for ships.

Well, it's been a big complaint of the Crusade fleet list that they have a gap (1st ed. at Skirmish, 2nd ed. at Raid), just the same as the Vorlons and Shadows have gaps too.

It's one of those things that defines a fleets style though. I'd hate to think the designers will fill every gap, that then makes fleets a bit too generic, heck, the narn need a dedicated fleet carrier, the drakh need fighters, the minbari need patrol ships etc. don't add them! we don't want all fleets the same.

I have never understood this argument against having one ship per PL for all fleets - They managed to make 12+ (or whatever the number is) fleets with different styles, shapes and sizes of ships without them all being the same - it seems strange that adding two or pehaps three ships to the Shadows / Vorlons fleet lists would suddenly make them all generic?

In understand that the designers (for good or ill) want certain fleets weaker at different levels (or just weaker in case of Raiders) but this also means that certain fleets are less interesting to collect / play - I want to buy more and different cool ships but once I have my Scout and Ship for Shadows thats it - yeah I can make conversions but not everyone wants to............... Also as the Shadows have nothing worthwhile below raid (which I agree is a great choice 8) ) some choice would be nice below - espcially as the Vorlons - who should be operating at the same power levels have both a good fighter choice at Patrol (beam and AAF!) and a good one at Skirmish and now apparently at Raid too?

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

It's one of those things that defines a fleets style though. I'd hate to think the designers will fill every gap, that then makes fleets a bit too generic, heck, the narn need a dedicated fleet carrier, the drakh need fighters, the minbari need patrol ships etc. don't add them! we don't want all fleets the same.

Anybody played StarCraft Brood War? That's a balanced game IMO, without the annoying "generic symetry".

Every unit can be countered, but no unit has an equivalent.

In defense of MGP, I can imagine it's hard to do with more than a dozen factions.