Deckplans: software?

barnest2

Mongoose
I need to draw a few ships... ok less need, more want, but I really do want too...
At the very least I need a drawing software that lets me put a grid on the page (With set dimensions). At the very best, It'll have set bits I can drop in, like engines and such.
I need to draw a ship at least 9,000 tons in size... Am I stuck drawing it by hand?
 
You didn't state a platform (Windows? Mac? Linux?) or cost range...

However, Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) works real well on multiple platforms and for free.

Using its repeat function (or importing a PDF, PostScript, EPS, or AI file) its easy to make grids.

The layering and grouping functions make tile based designs a snap as well.

Plus it handles curves exceptionally well.
 
barnest2 said:
I need to draw a few ships... ok less need, more want, but I really do want too...
At the very least I need a drawing software that lets me put a grid on the page (With set dimensions). At the very best, It'll have set bits I can drop in, like engines and such.

That would be http://www.profantasy.com/products/cos3.asp

If unfamiliar with CAD it takes a LONG time to learn. Otherwise, it's Paint type programs & cut 'n paste jpg pics you can find online.
 
BP said:
However, Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) works real well on multiple platforms and for free.
I was just typing up my reply when I saw yours! :)

If Inkscape isn't suitable, try Dia - http://projects.gnome.org/dia/
BP said:
Using its repeat function (or importing a PDF, PostScript, EPS, or AI file) its easy to make grids.
I might not be following your train of thought. In Inkscape simply go View -> Grid and you get a grid.
 
IanBruntlett said:
I might not be following your train of thought. In Inkscape simply go View -> Grid and you get a grid.

That's just view though, the grid isn't there if you print it out or something.
 
Oh I don't need it when its printed, just while drawing :D

I'm on windows, and would prefer free software. I don't use Cad unfortunately, I'm pretty new to computer design...
 
barnest2 said:
Oh I don't need it when its printed, just while drawing :D

I'm on windows, and would prefer free software. I don't use Cad unfortunately, I'm pretty new to computer design...

Easy enough to draw a grid over the one Inkscape provides if you do.

Anyways, Inkscape is free and works well.
 
barnest2 said:
I'm sold. Downloading it now...

Why are my immediate memories of Inkscape along the lines of "I got what I paid for." (free) and "That was a waste of time downloading and installing, where's the uninstall?"

I recall it being exceedingly non-intuitive and lacking features that would have put it ahead of simply working with Paint for quick drawings.

Anyway, Sketchup is also free, pretty low easy learning curve with excellent tutorials and once you're done laying out the plans in 2D you can spin it up to 3D without much more work. imo of course.

Key is to find something that works for you and learn it well :) Inkscape didn't for me but might well for you :)

That said, my best bit of advice for the 9,000ton cruiser deckplans is... don't :)

I've done (completed) a couple (and unfinished several) large ships (multi Ktons) and they can be a major pain for little gain. If you do I suggest starting with some key small areas and a general idea of the size and placement of the whole. Work the small areas into the whole as needed. And don't sweat the details too much :)

I generally start with the old architectural basic of balloons. Create roughly scaled and shaped areas/sections (bridge, engineering, quarters, cargo, whatever big elements you have - ignore fuel and armour for now, fill it in between and around for shaping the hull as desired) in approximate locations and check that for flow and function. Develop more specific measurements from that once satisfied with the rough guide.
 
I'm planning on doing the top deck for now (150 tons). That's just the bridge and such. Later I may add more...

Yeah I tried the ink thing... its completely non-intuitive, and is much harder than it needs to be (or at least it feels that way)
 
barnest2 said:
Yeah I tried the ink thing... its completely non-intuitive, and is much harder than it needs to be (or at least it feels that way)

Try going through the tutorials under the Help menu. It's not that hard to learn.
 
Ah - well, the only real detail you started with was the mention of 'a few ships' and 9,000 ton deckplans ;)

No - Inkscape, nor any other cad/well featured art program is exceptionally 'intuitive' - you need to look at tutorials (and inkscape has some real good ones).

You can use paint or Paint.NET (not as simple) but these are bitmap programs, not vector. Unless you are just planning the 150 ton bridge, you'll spend a lot more time with a lot less results going the instant 'easy' route, than reading a tutorial and experimenting with Inkscape or any number of other programs.

Sketchup can be good, though its not really geared for 2D and if you want curved surfaces or to get fancier with it things can get drastically more difficult. Fair warning - you might start faster, though likely spend a lot more time getting final results (or frustrated when faces, vertexes and edges don't act like you expect 'solids' to do) - however, it has the benefit of being 3D. Middenface has done some wonderful work with it (see here)
 
AutoRealm and it's free. :)

I use it, and it's learning curve is not as high as AutoCad or Profantsy (which I also have).

Sturn has some standard Traveller symbols aready made for AutoRealm. Plus once you make a few of the items that you want to use over and over, you can save them as addition drop and drag, change the size as needed on future drawings.

I have not had the time this winter, like I normally do, or I would offer to make some of the deckplans for you. (I am way behind on doing rust's circus ship of 4,000 tons. )

If you want to see some samples of my work, please check the image galleries at CotI and SFRGP websites. (or pm with an email address and I will send you some. ;))

Plus, I like color in my ship deckplans.

Dave Chase
 
Dave Chase said:
I have not had the time this winter, like I normally do, or I would offer to make some of the deckplans for you. (I am way behind on doing rust's circus ship of 4,000 tons. )

Did a 1,200 ton circus ship myself.

Dave Chase said:
Plus, I like color in my ship deckplans.

Color (or colour) can be a good addition.
 
AutoRealm for me. It's free and much easier to use then CC (I have both). It also has everything you need. In my signature is a link to my shipyard where I have a tutorial for using AutoRealm to make Traveller deckplans. The tutorial isn't finished, but it gives you an idea how simple it is and there are some sample deckplans using AutoRealm.
 
Right now I'm working on adapting the 400-ton Lightning from Gurps Traveller: Interstellar Wars. I love the wedge shape its given and at 400 tons it was the right size for what I needed. Just have to redesign the interior.
 
Likewise, I have access to some nice software as its part of my day job (since Dec so is twitter, blogs and going on facebook too..part of my job.)

I've been mulling an idea to do a slow work in progress thing....
 
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