Core Expeditions on Traveller map
- Thread starter Danestar
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I’m going to put this out there because I think it’s desperately needed and the reasons against it are no longer value. Please flush out Foreven it’s literally right in the middle of everything especially FFW. There are areas elsewhere that are now de facto GMs preserves that are not in the middle of a bunch of major plot lines and events. In the early days this made sense the setting was the Marches and it gave GMs a adjacent area to develop on their own but now the setting is so much larger as well as the events are greatly more spread out and there’s plenty of areas that fit this need that are not adding extra unnecessary work and stress for GMs.
Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
Can't wait until Turning Points is released (or whatever it is going to be called.) EDIT: (*) Turning Tide.
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Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
I thought Bella and Josh said on Mayday, Mayday '26 that it has already been updated?
Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
Would be an interesting idea, to move the "Referee's Preserve." Could make some people happy or it could upset others who have developed their own Foreven already.
Or, alternatively, why not have several Referee's Preserves - like, Chartered Space is big enough for all.
Grognardia
Emperor Mongoose
I agree with Limpin Legin, keep Foreven and add in another blank sector. There are still a plethora of sectors not covered yet.
(Map based on the one from 'This is Free Trader Beowulf', with some details added.)
(Map based on the one from 'This is Free Trader Beowulf', with some details added.)
G'Naakbusters
Emperor Mongoose
We need subsector names for many of the coreward Vargr Extents sectors, which are some of the very few still lacking them (and I'm eager to make relevant wiki pages once they get names).
Ghoekhnael, Ksinanirz, Zao Kfeng Ig Grilokh, Knaeleng, Kharrthon, Mugheen't, Rzakki, and Listanaya are all in need of subsector names (among others), and all but Ghoekhnael are currently lacking minor races and other interesting sprinkles (though most systems have been named and stated, so invention there would be minimal). Basically, finishing touches.
If you feel like being fully creative:
I wish I could find the relevant map, but in one old publication there was a pic of Charted Space that had some small pocket empires suggested for outlying sectors that are currently entirely undeveloped on the map (as in blank). The core-spinward sectors beyond the Zhodani Consulate was one place where some intriguing little splodges were sketched in. A whole Zhodani flank as yet uncharted.
Ahriman Sector needs developing; 17 worlds of the Inyx Dominion and the rest is completely up to the imagination. Likewise any of the Aslan-named rim sectors.
Poor Mikhail Sector on the Hiver rim could use some attention.
Malorn and Hadji are still incomplete.
And there's always the Deepnight Revelation stuff, which is partially up on the Map in terms of sector names and (for the first bunch of sectors out that way) even positions of all stars -- which matches the maps in the campaign books, so we can actually place the specific systems on the Map when someone has the time. All the Alikaia worlds are in place, only unlabelled, for instance...
Ghoekhnael, Ksinanirz, Zao Kfeng Ig Grilokh, Knaeleng, Kharrthon, Mugheen't, Rzakki, and Listanaya are all in need of subsector names (among others), and all but Ghoekhnael are currently lacking minor races and other interesting sprinkles (though most systems have been named and stated, so invention there would be minimal). Basically, finishing touches.
If you feel like being fully creative:
I wish I could find the relevant map, but in one old publication there was a pic of Charted Space that had some small pocket empires suggested for outlying sectors that are currently entirely undeveloped on the map (as in blank). The core-spinward sectors beyond the Zhodani Consulate was one place where some intriguing little splodges were sketched in. A whole Zhodani flank as yet uncharted.
Ahriman Sector needs developing; 17 worlds of the Inyx Dominion and the rest is completely up to the imagination. Likewise any of the Aslan-named rim sectors.
Poor Mikhail Sector on the Hiver rim could use some attention.
Malorn and Hadji are still incomplete.
And there's always the Deepnight Revelation stuff, which is partially up on the Map in terms of sector names and (for the first bunch of sectors out that way) even positions of all stars -- which matches the maps in the campaign books, so we can actually place the specific systems on the Map when someone has the time. All the Alikaia worlds are in place, only unlabelled, for instance...
mavikfelna
Emperor Mongoose
I have submitted an updated entry for Rzakki with subsector names and updated planet information, all correct per the checker on Travellermap back in Feb but haven't heard anything.
G'Naakbusters
Emperor Mongoose
Oh, nice! Hopefully it will be in the next update.
Danestar
Mongoose
The subsectors listed in the Core Expeditions have been updated, I'm planning on updating the entire sectors and including missing data such as the T5 and Stella data.
Bense
Cosmic Mongoose
I agree. Keep Foreven and add others as Referee Preserves.
There are literally dozens of effective Referee Preserves why do we need to keep the one sector that’s literally in the middle of events a Referre Preserve? This handicaps FFW and other campaigns with no actual benefit. Other than that’s the way it’s alway been give me one logical common sense reason for keeping Foreven a Referee Preserve?
This isn’t even the current map you have all the sectors around Kruse and literally dozens of sectors that are much more logical for a Referee Perserves. All of them not in the middle of the main campaign area of mongooses publish works.
Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
I suppose one reason of having Referee's Preserves adjacent to Published works is that Travellers will have little distance to travel, in order to get involved.
If the Referee's Preserves are more than 4 subsectors away, then players and referees will just get peeved with all that downtime in Travelling the space in between.
Anything that is done is going to upset at least a portion of the Traveller audience but no one says they have to use a published product. Making a Foreven & Far Frontiers sectors book would support a large segment of GMs that are running things that mongoose is publishing like the FFW which should have included stuff in Foreven since day one. It’s not like mongoose is going to force people to use their published versions of these sectors and for those of us that don’t have the time to develop these two sectors but play in that area it’s a tool that supports existing campaigns
Yea but nobody’s going to force them to use it. Publishing a Foreven helps the majority of GMs. I’ve built sectors before it’s a major time consuming process even if you use some sort of software to generate the numbers there just so much more than that having a hole in the middle of major events and campaigns is a pain in the ass.
MonsterX
Emperor Mongoose
Yes, players can decide to just jump over there because they're at the edge of the Spinward Marches and looking for a good destination. Logically, events going on at the edge of Foreven should be impacting the Spinward Marches, so it would be good to know what those events might be.
Of course, you can just make up a Foreven of your own, or steal one from someone else. But having the least developed sector from a canon perspective right next to the most developed one doesn't make sense.
Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
You could say that the chances of fame and wealth are greater in the more developed sectors - that would draw players away from underdeveloped sectors and into the more developed ones.
Grognardia
Emperor Mongoose
The whole point of a blank sector is that it's yours. The moment Mongoose publishes an official Foreven it stops being a canvas and becomes someone else's painting. Every GM who built their own version over the years just got told their work is fanfiction now.
And yeah, nobody's forcing you to use it. But players read things. They turn up at your table having absorbed the official version and suddenly you're arguing against a book instead of just running your game.
The FFW hole argument doesn't hold up either. A blank sector in the middle of a war zone isn't a problem, it's the most interesting thing on the map. What's in there that nobody's talking about? Why does every route go around it? That's a story. Actually use your imagination instead of relying on others.
Dozens of sectors have never been touched. Go develop those. Leave the one place the community has actually made their own alone.
And yeah, nobody's forcing you to use it. But players read things. They turn up at your table having absorbed the official version and suddenly you're arguing against a book instead of just running your game.
The FFW hole argument doesn't hold up either. A blank sector in the middle of a war zone isn't a problem, it's the most interesting thing on the map. What's in there that nobody's talking about? Why does every route go around it? That's a story. Actually use your imagination instead of relying on others.
Dozens of sectors have never been touched. Go develop those. Leave the one place the community has actually made their own alone.
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Limpin Legin
Emperor Mongoose
Yes possibly. You could say the same of Switzerland represented in WWII maps: No war in the middle of a war zone.
(In Avlon Hill's Fortress Europe boardgame that I used to play during the 1980's, Switzerland was blank and hex-less:
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