Clarification needed for page 94

[TCHatchet]

On page 94 it reads "Some armours have a required skill. A Traveller suffers DM-2 to all checks taken in the armour per missing skill level."
Combat Armour at TL 12 and TL 14, Vacc Suit at TL 10 and TL 12, Hostile Environment Vacc Suit at TL 11, TL 13 and TL 14, all have a required skill of Vacc Suit 0, so what is the penalty for not having Vacc Suit 0 or better with these armours?

 

[Annatar Giftbringer]

-2 since you're missing one level? Assume you lack the vacc suit skill:

Vacc suit 0 - 1 level missing - -2
Vacc suit 1 - 2 levels missing - -4
Vacc suit 2 - 3 levels missing - -6

 

[Nerhesi]

I would think 0 is still a skill level - unless there is something in RAW stating otherwise? So that's a -2.

If you need skill 1 and you have 0? Thats a -2. If you have nothing? -4

 

[TCHatchet]

The example on page 94 "For example, a Traveller with no Vacc Suit skill who is in a suit that requires Vacc Suit 2 would have DM-4 to all his checks"
I would have thought this example is ether wrong or there is no DM for lacking Vacc Suit 0.
In Mongoose Traveller 1st ed there was a DM-2 for each level of missing Vacc Suit skill including Vacc Suit 0.

 

[Nerhesi]

The example on page 94 "For example, a Traveller with no Vacc Suit skill who is in a suit that requires Vacc Suit 2 would have DM-4 to all his checks"
I would have thought this example is ether wrong or there is no DM for lacking Vacc Suit 0.
In Mongoose Traveller 1st ed there was a DM-2 for each level of missing Vacc Suit skill including Vacc Suit 0.

Good catch - I would think the example is wrong in this case.

 

[ShawnDriscoll]

On page 94 it reads "Some armours have a required skill. A Traveller suffers DM-2 to all checks taken in the armour per missing skill level."
Combat Armour at TL 12 and TL 14, Vacc Suit at TL 10 and TL 12, Hostile Environment Vacc Suit at TL 11, TL 13 and TL 14, all have a required skill of Vacc Suit 0, so what is the penalty for not having Vacc Suit 0 or better with these armours?

I don't have 2nd edition. But I remember the playtest rules for Vacc Suit being stated more clearly in the skill chapter. Missing Requisite Vacc Suit Skill instead of Missing Vacc Suit Skill.

 

[TCHatchet]

Page 69 "If the Traveller does not have the requisite Vacc Suit skill for the suit he is wearing, he suffers DM-2 to all skill checks made while wearing a suit for each missing level."
This alas does not make things much clear than the other two qoutes. I hope we can get this seen by the editors before they go to print.
For my own games I will probably be falling back to 1st ed example page 87 of the Traveller Pocket Rulebook "A character suffers a -2 DM to all actions taken in the armour per missing skill level, including level 0. For example, a character with no Vacc Suit skill who is in a suit that needs Vacc Suit 1 would have a -4 DM to all his rolls." Otherwise Vacc Suit 0 does nothing as far as I can find.

 

[Annatar Giftbringer]

Ah, I'm with you now. The new edition doesn't specify that 0 is a skill level? If so, then I agree the text "including level 0" should be added for clarity.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

On page 94 it reads "Some armours have a required skill. A Traveller suffers DM-2 to all checks taken in the armour per missing skill level."
Combat Armour at TL 12 and TL 14, Vacc Suit at TL 10 and TL 12, Hostile Environment Vacc Suit at TL 11, TL 13 and TL 14, all have a required skill of Vacc Suit 0, so what is the penalty for not having Vacc Suit 0 or better with these armours?

Page 57 says "If a Traveller does not have any levels in a skill used in a check, he suffers DM-3 on the check for being unskilled."

 

[TCHatchet]

On page 94 it reads "Some armours have a required skill. A Traveller suffers DM-2 to all checks taken in the armour per missing skill level."
Combat Armour at TL 12 and TL 14, Vacc Suit at TL 10 and TL 12, Hostile Environment Vacc Suit at TL 11, TL 13 and TL 14, all have a required skill of Vacc Suit 0, so what is the penalty for not having Vacc Suit 0 or better with these armours?

Page 57 says "If a Traveller does not have any levels in a skill used in a check, he suffers DM-3 on the check for being unskilled."

page 69 "A Traveller will rarely need to make Vacc Suit checks under ordinary circumstances – merely possessing the skill is enough."
So that is -3 to a skill you rarely need to make a roll for.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Agreed, but p94 "A Traveller suffers DM-2 to all checks taken in the armour per missing skill level."

So taking a EVA in a vacc suit is not much of a problem, but if something happens, or you want to do something complicated, there is a problem.

 

[ShawnDriscoll]

Page 69 "If the Traveller does not have the requisite Vacc Suit skill for the suit he is wearing, he suffers DM-2 to all skill checks made while wearing a suit for each missing level."
This alas does not make things much clear than the other two qoutes. I hope we can get this seen by the editors before they go to print.

There is a huge different between:
requisite Vacc Suit skill
Vacc Suit skill

So simple.