Chicagoland ACTA Tournament, Date and time

timeslip said:
Well, just got back awhile ago from the tourny Kosh ran. There should be some great pictures coming soon from the other players. Here is just a little something for the winner -- Prelude_to_war. Enjoy!


George 8)
(Vorlon player)

Thanks Kosh for running a great tournament. It was fun playing new folks - I look forward to the next one!!

timeslip...nice Vorlon propaganda!!! We all know what really happened
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Quick note to those of you who cancelled: you messed up. Tut-tut-tut! Well-run, with tons of space to spare, don't miss the next one by any account. Thanks to Kosh, and the folks at Strategic Game Command -- nice environment. We proceeded as a group to buy them completely out of Starfuries.

Kosh may not have many posts, but he does know how to organize and what he's doing. Much applause. He also set this up to bring a few newer players into the greater Chicago community, and I'm glad I met you, Chris, Carlos, and Pat (I think -- apologize if I got these names wrong!)

Kosh even had to step in to give an even number of players, didn't have his fleet available, had never played Drakh before, and beat my Dilgar. I should probably be ashamed of that, but it was such fun I really don't care. Well ... that much.

Quick reports from me:

Rd. 1: 1xOchliavita, 2xOmelos, 1xTargrath vs. 1xNova, 6xHermes. EA ships did virtually nothing, losing 2 Hermes and the Nova for almost nothing. The Thunderbolts, on the other hand, despite some decent AF setup (one gap made by an overzealous CAF by me) killed almost singlehandedly 1 Omelos, 2/3 of an Ochliavita, and all but 5 points of a Targrath. That's just 10 of them -- they were absolutely hideous. We absolutely mauled each other to a 45-36 EA win after 6 turns. (13-7)

Rd. 2: 1xOchliavita, 2xJashakar, 2xOmelos, 3xTargrath vs. 2xScout, 3xLight Raider, 2xHeavy Raider, 2xLight Cruiser. Serves me right -- I have to fight my own tourney fleet I build last time. Doh! I got (predictably) totally initiative outsinked, and my first battle pass resulted in only 1 kill. Against nimble Drakh raiders, that isn't going to get it done. Drakh battles are patient things, but I sure didn't win. The two Heavy Raiders gave a real good account of themselves, my Omelos didn't -- including one All Power to Engines that a really bad idea. I also death-rode an Ochliavita for no real good reason. Once I explained a bit of Drakh theory to Kosh, who hadn't flown them before today -- well, he killed me with it. Serves me right. Drakh killed 1 Targrath, 1 Omelos, 1 Ochliavita, 1 Jashakar and forced another offboard vs. a kill of 1 Light Cruiser, 1 Heavy Raider and 1 Scout. Drakh win 24-18. (7-13)

There was a quiz at this point. I thought I did better on my Group Theory final at college. That was described at the time as a spectacular disaster. I was begging for partial credit at the end of college exam -- and I don't think I could get partial credit here. Would it be possible to get a negative score? I was gonna try to find out. Involuntarily.

Rd. 3: 1xOchliavita, 4xOmelos, 2xJashakar, 1xRohric, 6xTargrath vs. Tertius, Primus, Prefect, 2xSulust, 2xMagnus, 1xBalavarin. Ok, 0 for 2, and pretty sure I flunked the quiz. Not real good here! And for Rd. 3 I get -- the Centauri Beam Team. Yeep! Well, this one is with a newer player who doesn't have any Corvans, a Balavarin instead. I have a chance. Terrain that was set up really helps me with an asteroid field to hide behind and winning the setup initiative. The asteroid field was in a really bad spot after he set up -- on a wing, but close to the center -- and he set up far enough forward that turning to the other side of it to meet me with 1/45 turn was going to be very tough for two ships set up a bit too close, a Tertius and a Prefect. Even if the Sulusts were going to make it, they weren't going to be far away and the Targrath could pop around the corner at any time. Ended up outflanking the beam line, blasting and then popping the Balavarin and the next targets, a a couple of Magnus who had gotten into a winning tussle with my Rohric that was hiding behind the shadow of a planet. The 6-Targrath squadron was rough. Lost 1 Rohric, 1 Thorun, 1 Jashakar before time was called vs. 1 Balavarin , 4 Sentris, 2 Magnus for a Dilgar 19-8 win. (17-3)

I can beat Centauri beams but not my own Drakh fleet. I give up. Net: 31-29. Mediocrity, I art thee!

Dilgar photos upcoming once I figure out where to post them and how to trim down the file size.

Stunner of the day -- I didn't end up dead last in the quiz. I was expecting to score about 2 out of 10. Ended up with 5. Must be the partial credit -- or pity being taken.

Congrats, Prelude.
 
Sounds like everyone had a great time. Wish I could have come but had an episode of 'intestinal distress' around 5 am. Ah well...next time...and I even fixed some of my brakiri ships for the fight too...

Congrats to the winners.

Ripple
 
Glad to hear you're alive Ripple. We'll see you at the next tournament!

Well written report CZuschlag...I'll try and follow suit...

Yes the venue was great - brand new location with tons of products and tables. It was attached to a paintball/airgun store which was cool. Miniature AND full sized guns - what more could you ask for? The store even paid for lunch which was above and beyond what I expected.

Round 1: 1 Tinashi, 1 wing of flyers and a nial (wing) vs. a Teshlan and 3 Torothas. Yup - Minbari on Minbari - all about the stealth. Luckily for me my warrior caste Tinashi was able to disable the weapons on the Teshlan of the -worker? religous?- caste pretty early. The Torothas just couldn't see past the Tinashi stealth enough or manage to inflict enough damage. When the cosmic dust settled the Tinashi was still functioning surrounded only by the decrewed Teshlan. (20-0)

Round 2: 2 Tinashis+1 Teshlan vs. 1 Vorlon Destroyer+3 Transports. timeslip is my opponent this time - many friendly games played but this is our first tournament game! Bloody affair - my squadroned ships approach his squadroned transports....I open up and take a transport out on the first pass. He turns and targets my Teshlan with everything and kills it. Turns out he thought the Teshlan was a higher PL ship than Raid! Otherwise he'd have targeted a Tinashi first. Silly Vorlon, <kosh's voice>"You do not understand...but you will!!!". It came down to a lone Tinashi vs. a Transport, the Tinashi the lone survivor at the end (on the verge of being crippled). A key moment was timeslip failing a stealth roll in the heat of battle - within 8" and a 1 was rolled. Boy was I lucky. (20-0)

Round 3: 3 Tinashis (squad)+1 Shantavi+2 Teshlans vs. 1 Vorlon LC, 2 Destroyers+2Transports. Vorlons again? Yikes. No way could I let the LC survive; public enemy number one since it could easily destroy a ship per turn - not a good trend. On our first pass, the squadroned Tinashis and the Shantavi did a rougly combined 150 points of damage. Next round I started selecting other targets, figuring a Tinashi and a Shantavi could finish it off. I was wrong and the Shantavi was punished for it...still in the fight but crippled before I finally knocked the LC out. In the end the Vorlons left for the rim, me having lost a Teshlan and a Tinashi. (20-0)

MVP for me - Tinashis. Sharlins are tempting but when I did the math, point for point Tinashis offer more AD on the nuetron lasers as well as the twin-linked to all arcs. All at the sacrifice of stealth 1 and fighters; I'll take it (but those Sharlins look SO darn cool!).

The Quiz: That was tough! Congrats to Davesaint for winning that one. So exactly how many years was B5 in operation for?!?
 
Great tournament Kosh! I had a great time and every battle of mine except for the last one was a nailbiter

As CZuchlag indicated out first battle was tough. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with my Hermes and my Nova. Thank God for the 10 T-Bolts I brought. They saved the day. The battle came down to the last turn, when my T-bolts blew up an Omelos that would have finished off my Nova for the victory. (13-7 EA Win)

Round 2 - EA VS Minbari - When I was turning in my fleet list I was hemming and hawing about taking a scout with this force, I decided not to, and it almost cost me the game.

Scenario - Space Superiority
Forces - EA 2 Hyperion, 3 Olympus, 6 Hermes. Minbari - 3 Teshlans and a Shantavi.

I started out making only 4 of 18 stealth rolls. By the end of the 3rd turn I had lost 2 hermes and all of the olympus. One olympus took 15 hits from the 2 die beam on a teshlan. The Minbari was down1 Teshlan. The battle changed dramatically from there. I spread out my hermes, with one teshlan trying to hunt one of them down. I tactically withdrew that one. My other 3 hermes went looking for space to control. My 2 hyperions borsighted a teshlan and blew it up, with the Shantavi being out of arc to fire. I overan the Shantavi the next turn and got a very lucky 1-6 Critical on it Huzzah! After that it was rear borsight CAF goodness and a couple of turns later Dead Shantavi. The other teshlan came by to try and salvage my iminnent death, only to have my wolfpack of hermes get lucky criticals and finish him. EA Victory - 20-0

5 Battle
EA VS Vorlons
Call To Arms

The Forces
Vorlons - Light Crusier, 4 Transports 18 Flights of fighters
EA - 5 Hyperions, 3 Olympus, 2 Oracle, 10 Hermes All Missles were Flash
This fight went bad for the vorlons. On turn one I CAF'd 8 Hermes on a transport and killed it. Turn 2 it was the missles from the Olympus and the other 2 hermes plus the beams on ther Hperions that killed one transport, while all the other fire killed a 2nd one. Soon after the fighter mixed it up in dogfights and the vorlon fighters got slaughtered. Once I got past the VCL The battle was effectively over The Vorlons were killed outright 20-0 I lost 6 Fighters, 3 Hyperions and I think 1-2 hermes.

Again great event Kosh!


Dave
 
Yep, it was great fun all around. But, this tourny did bring up a great point. The Hermes is broken!! It is to be placed with the great cheese ones, ei. 10 Sag and 10 olympus fleets. That 30 range missles are just WRONG!! How is it the Tethys, the same priority level, has no fighters and its missles are cut in range. Dont get me wrong it was fun to play in Kosh's tourny, it was just playing a fleet at the end that was chosen purely for its BROKEN abilities. :roll: that sucked. Oh, well I guess for my next tourny I'll just play 5 battle point of Hermes. :evil:

George 8)

Matt, you reading this. FIX THE HERMES!!!!!
 
If you think the Hermes is bad --- just wait until you get a load of the Pak's Sunhawk.

The closest analogy between the most common flash-loaded Hermes and anything is the Sho'Kov:

The Sho'Kov, of course, is not fielded in large numbers for a good reason.

Perhaps the problem never was the Saggitarius, or the Hermes --- it was/is the Flash and Heavy missiles themselves? Interesting question.

..........Hermes.....Sho'Kov
Hull:........4..............4
Damage:.10...........17...(effective: Dodge factored in here.)
Crew.......12...........14...(effective: Dodge factored in here.)
Other:..Interceptor......
Jump?:....Yes..........No
Missile:....2 AD......1 AD
Style:.DD, Slow-L..Single Damage
Style:.......AP.........SAP
Precise?:..Yes.........Yes
Fighter?:...Yes.........No
Range?:....30...........20

The Hermes appears notably superior, but only when loaded with Flash. Try normal missiles and you get:

..........Hermes.....Sho'Kov
Hull:........4..............4
Damage:.10...........17...(effective: Dodge factored in here.)
Crew.......12...........14...(effective: Dodge factored in here.)
Other:..Interceptor......
Jump?:....Yes..........No
Missile:....2 AD......1 AD
Style:.....Slow-L..Single Damage
Style:......SAP.........SAP
Precise?:..Yes.........Yes
Fighter?:...Yes.........No
Range?:....30...........20

The Hermes here is slightly superior, but's it's really pretty close. I can only tell because they are SO close to one another. Note I put some high value in the Interceptor and the Thunderbolt.
 
CZuschlag said:
I believe the answer that was given after the quiz was 25 years.

Hmm...Operational in 2257, destroyed in 2281 I think(2261 Sheridan dies and is given 20 years more and B5 destroyed at same time).

20 years(Sheridan's "lease time")+2260+2259+2258+2257. 24 years is what I would have come up with.

Which year am I missing?-)
 
I have been saying since I sat down with Dave to work up the fleet he fields that the hermes was one of EAs best hulls.

Missile upgrades were never really balanced with existing ships. They are a reasonable, cool idea...but you need more balance than the pl system allows for that kind of ship by ship tweak. This is exactly the type of problem everyone who complains about point systems uses as an example of why pls are better. Point systems feel they can cover this, and often fail due to number of combonations, but the pl system just tries to ignore it and pretend the small edges gained over many ships doesn't add up to anything.

Anyway...hijack over...sorry I missed it even more so, sounds like some great fleets, my brakiri would have done well vs the vorlons I think.

Ripple
 
Excellent pics CZuschlag. The first one especially nice - good composition, depth of field and lighting. Hard to achieve such good aesthetics with the Dilgar, especially when you're talking about a face like this.

Ripple said:
I have been saying since I sat down with Dave to work up the fleet he fields that the hermes was one of EAs best hulls.

Missile upgrades were never really balanced with existing ships. They are a reasonable, cool idea...but you need more balance than the pl system allows for that kind of ship by ship tweak. This is exactly the type of problem everyone who complains about point systems uses as an example of why pls are better. Point systems feel they can cover this, and often fail due to number of combonations, but the pl system just tries to ignore it and pretend the small edges gained over many ships doesn't add up to anything.

Ripple
Valid points Ripple...I agree the basic flexibility of the PL system overlooks things like missile variants...sounds like you feel the Hermes may be a bit too much? Or maybe not...I've started a new thread on it here.
 
timeslip said:
Yep, it was great fun all around. But, this tourny did bring up a great point. The Hermes is broken!! It is to be placed with the great cheese ones, ei. 10 Sag and 10 olympus fleets. That 30 range missles are just WRONG!! How is it the Tethys, the same priority level, has no fighters and its missles are cut in range. Dont get me wrong it was fun to play in Kosh's tourny, it was just playing a fleet at the end that was chosen purely for its BROKEN abilities. :roll: that sucked. Oh, well I guess for my next tourny I'll just play 5 battle point of Hermes. :evil:

George 8)

Matt, you reading this. FIX THE HERMES!!!!!

George,

The Missle Tethys has Range 20 missiles, which is true, but it also has 4AD of them. There were only 2 reasons why I didn't run Early EA and bring Tethys. 1 No Thunderbolts. 2 No Missle Varrients on the Tethys.

Dave
 
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