Can you shoot your own dead ship?

[Cerebral Cortex of the Da]

Playing today, when my now useless Tigara was floating amidst the enemy fleet, I decided to shoot it. Of course using the Main Beam Weapon and bringing over the point where it would explode, actually causing a Centauri Dargon to die as well as seriously damaging another.

I could not find any rules to disallow this, nor did a search of the forums come up with anything stating this could not be done.

All of the crew on the Tigara were dead, but it still had a few boxes left so it was just a hulk.

AND.... where is the FAQ? I can't seem to locate that either. Thought it would be a sticky thread.

Thanks.

CCotD'

 

[Reaverman]

Playing today, when my now useless Tigara was floating amidst the enemy fleet, I decided to shoot it. Of course using the Main Beam Weapon and bringing over the point where it would explode, actually causing a Centauri Dargon to die as well as seriously damaging another.

I could not find any rules to disallow this, nor did a search of the forums come up with anything stating this could not be done.

All of the crew on the Tigara were dead, but it still had a few boxes left so it was just a hulk.

AND.... where is the FAQ? I can't seem to locate that either. Thought it would be a sticky thread.

Thanks.

CCotD'

No I dont think you can, because even though the ship has 'No' crew. That value only represents the 'active crew on the ship'. So there are still people alive on board, they just cannot man the ship or are survivors who are trying their best to stay alive.

 

[Alexb83]

A related question - if your ship has been subject to a successful 'stand down and prepare to be boarded', it cannot take any actions with an exception: 'if it is attacked' where control passes straight back to its original owner.

So what's to stop you throwing a single AD at a stood down ship in order to get it back? Or catching it within an e-mine radius, or something like that?

 

[Reaverman]

A related question - if your ship has been subject to a successful 'stand down and prepare to be boarded', it cannot take any actions with an exception: 'if it is attacked' where control passes straight back to its original owner.

So what's to stop you throwing a single AD at a stood down ship in order to get it back? Or catching it within an e-mine radius, or something like that?

I dont think you can do that can you, since again you have crew members alive on that ship. All you can do, is recapture the ship and deny the player the VP's.

 

[Celisasu]

What if you're playing a President Clark evil fleet? With Shadow Omegas and whatnot? Can you shoot your own dead ship then? I mean what does Clark care about a few idiots who got their ship shot up anyways? :twisted:

 

[lastbesthope]

Matthew has ruled that you can't attack your own ship, not even with Gravitic shifters. Assigning AD from your weapons to one of your ships is a nono, with the exception of Narn E-mines, if one of your ships is caught in the area of effect, so long as you were targteing some enmy vessels, it's allowed IIRC.

LBH

 

[LordClinto]

Wouldn't it be considered a fire-ship at that point? (ticking time bomb, anyone?)

If you are severly losing the battle and a crewless ship drifts into a tactical position isn't it every commanders duty to sacrifice that ship to prevail?


I would probably work, atleast fluff wise, if not rules-wise.

 

[Triggy]

Wouldn't it be considered a fire-ship at that point? (ticking time bomb, anyone?)

If you are severly losing the battle and a crewless ship drifts into a tactical position isn't it every commanders duty to sacrifice that ship to prevail?


I would probably work, atleast fluff wise, if not rules-wise.

In that case though you wouldn't need to shoot the ship, you'd simply self-destruct it and there isn't an order for that because for it to happen (as opposed to scuttling a ship), you'd have to be in a very rare situation.

 

[Voronesh]

there is no shooting your own ship ever. Or shooting into dogfights.

Unless your a sneaky narn and target E-mines to kill enemy dogfighters without touching your own......(Yes emines sound very broken when you say it that way...)

 

[Balance]

What if you're playing a President Clark evil fleet? With Shadow Omegas and whatnot? Can you shoot your own dead ship then? I mean what does Clark care about a few idiots who got their ship shot up anyways? :twisted:

clark might not care, but only a tiny percentage of his troops were actually the scary wacko supervillian kind of guys. Most honestly thought they were doing the right thing for their people and would be horrified if asked to fire on their own men!

 

[Triggy]

What if you're playing a President Clark evil fleet? With Shadow Omegas and whatnot? Can you shoot your own dead ship then? I mean what does Clark care about a few idiots who got their ship shot up anyways? :twisted:

clark might not care, but only a tiny percentage of his troops were actually the scary wacko supervillian kind of guys. Most honestly thought they were doing the right thing for their people and would be horrified if asked to fire on their own men!

I wouldn't go down this route today if I were you...it's already earned one person on this board a public lynching.

 

[Reaverman]

Unless your a sneaky narn and target E-mines to kill enemy dogfighters without touching your own......(Yes emines sound very broken when you say it that way...)

I'd have to say that if there was any other possibility of putting the Blast template somewhere else, then I'd insist on it.

 

[katadder]

my g'quan has e-mined itself to get the fighters tailing it, but then with short charge being only a few dice and the g'quan being hull 6 it knew it was safer from its e-mines than from enemy thunderbolts.

 

[DropChief]

my g'quan has e-mined itself to get the fighters tailing it, but then with short charge being only a few dice and the g'quan being hull 6 it knew it was safer from its e-mines than from enemy thunderbolts.

I got to say, regardless of the rules, its behaviour like that that really makes people worth playing. Kudos to katadder, smart tactics.

Its one of the reasons rules are such tricky subjective things. On the one hand you get the power gamer using e-mines like they are some kind of precision surgical strikes on dogfights, which, like Reaverman I think is just taking the mickey.
But then again, katadders approach to me is perfectly acceptable. Its exactly the sort of thing I could see a smart Captain doing. Its risky, but devious.

The deliberate targetting of own ships is always going to be contentious, but I guess overall I kind of side with Matt and it being a no, no. That said, it's subjective and if there was a convincing enough reason, I guess it would depend on the situation and the player for me. I would certainly object to the first example, or scuttling other allied vessels to catch an opponent in the blast, but I probably wouldn't object to katadders.
But thats just me

Regards
Carl

Same rules, different attitudes

 

[Reaverman]

my g'quan has e-mined itself to get the fighters tailing it, but then with short charge being only a few dice and the g'quan being hull 6 it knew it was safer from its e-mines than from enemy thunderbolts.

I got to say, regardless of the rules, its behaviour like that that really makes people worth playing. Kudos to katadder, smart tactics.

Its one of the reasons rules are such tricky subjective things. On the one hand you get the power gamer using e-mines like they are some kind of precision surgical strikes on dogfights, which, like Reaverman I think is just taking the mickey.
But then again, katadders approach to me is perfectly acceptable. Its exactly the sort of thing I could see a smart Captain doing. Its risky, but devious.

The deliberate targetting of own ships is always going to be contentious, but I guess overall I kind of side with Matt and it being a no, no. That said, it's subjective and if there was a convincing enough reason, I guess it would depend on the situation and the player for me. I would certainly object to the first example, or scuttling other allied vessels to catch an opponent in the blast, but I probably wouldn't object to katadders.
But thats just me

Regards
Carl

Same rules, different attitudes

Taking the Mickey?!

I only stated that to avoid the cheese factor, and stop the opponent on blasting his vesssel (in an attempt to cause a bang). That he'd have to have a damn good reason to put the template, over the ship.

 

[DropChief]

Taking the Mickey?!

I only stated that to avoid the cheese factor, and stop the opponent on blasting his vesssel (in an attempt to cause a bang). That he'd have to have a damn good reason to put the template, over the ship.

Err, yes. I was agreeing with you. Sorry if you thought otherwise? :?

Regards
Carl

 

[Reaverman]

Taking the Mickey?!

I only stated that to avoid the cheese factor, and stop the opponent on blasting his vesssel (in an attempt to cause a bang). That he'd have to have a damn good reason to put the template, over the ship.

Err, yes. I was agreeing with you. Sorry if you thought otherwise? :?

Regards
Carl

LOL...its cool

 

[Chernobyl]

Can you shoot your own dead ship?

NO

Can you shoot your own live ship?

NO, but it can inadvertantly be attacked by a template weapon when targeting enemy ships or craft.

Chern

 

[katadder]

think of it as campaign is best, you not gonna kill your own ship in a campaign if its just decrewed. my use of e-mines was never gonna kill my own ship, as has been stated b4 tho even decrewed ships will have crewmen somewhere and you would have to be a really evil captain to open fire on it.