BF Evo Scale Comparison

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mthomason

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Double-posted from this thread:

http:///www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24969

I don't do the photography thing, so sorry about being out of focus in places and getting the colour balance wrong, but this pic is designed to see the scale difference rather than anything else :)

From http://www.bfevo.com/wiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3

bfevo_comparison.jpg


From left to right:

40K Cadian Infantry (unpainted)
BF Evo USMC Infantry (prepainted)
BF Evo PLA Infantry (prepainted)
BF Evo EFTF Infantry (prepainted)
BF Evo MEA Infantry (prepainted)
SST MI Cap Trooper (handpainted)

IMHO, with the bases being narrower and the other guys in the pic wearing bulky armour, it's really no more than a mm or two difference in height (especially to the Cadian on his thicker base). It does *look* far more (mostly down to the Evo figures being slender), but once you sit down and measure it, it's surprising how close it really is. If you rebase things to BF Evo size (or vice-versa), it'll look a lot better (bear in mind though that standard 25mm bases will make figures stand too tall next to the tanks)

Question is, what does everyone else think about it?
 
Then I shall double-post as well :D Thanks for that picture Matt!

Taking measurements off the screen, I make the BF:EVO figures to be about 29mm head-to-toe (the picture is about 1.14 times life-size, based on the Cadian). Discount the helmet and the soles of the boots, and that puts them at 27-28mm. Account for the stance and you're at the high end of 28mm head-to-toe, with the Arab being markedly taller.

Now to get technical...

At 1/65 scale, the 28mm tall guys work out to be 1820mm if they were 1/1, which is actually rather tall.

Working the other way around, translating 1700mm (IMO a better average male height) to 28mm would make the scale 1/60.

A 1700mm guy at 1/65 would be 26mm.

My opinion, then, is that the scale is a bit off between the infantry and the vehicles, but that it is technically quite minor. In fact, considering the vagaries of 25/28mm scaling, I would not be surprised to see you sell quite a few of these vehicles to people with existing collections of modern miniatures.

Personally I would have preferred it if the infantry had been scaled down to around 25mm, or the vehicles up to 1/60. This would leave the vehicles slightly oversized (instead of slightly undersized) which would have been good to accomodate for the fact that the minis are on bases (I love the new flatter bases, but they're still bases!).

That said, the difference is quite small and it really depends on the person whether they're cool with it. An easy fix for those who are bothered by the scale would be to mount their vehicles on 2-3mm bases as well.
 
mthomason said:
Question is, what does everyone else think about it?
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Looks fine. Though Mongoose better not scale down SST models to this :lol:

They look nice for BF:Evo but SST scale needs to be kept.
 
tneva82 said:
mthomason said:
Question is, what does everyone else think about it?
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Looks fine. Though Mongoose better not scale down SST models to this :lol:

They look nice for BF:Evo but SST scale needs to be kept.
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aye sst sacle needs to stay the same!! tho they did promise us that it would :roll:
 
Well, Mr. Evil's calculations prompted me to take a final, closer look at the model that has the ruler behind it. I'm only doing this once, unless someone points out a flaw in either my measurements or my calculations. I'm not trying to pass judgement on any of Mongoose's design decisions here, I'm just trying to get the maths right once and for all.

If you want to follow along, please know that I have a 19" flatscreen set to 1280x1024 resolution, with no black margins along any side.

Got your clear rulers ready, kids? Let's get started :D


The Mini

First, I measured from the heel of the right leg - ie. just above the boot's sole - to the top of the black/grey camo spot to the side of the groin plate. This gives a measurement of the leg up to the hip joint. I measure it as 46mm on screen.

Next, I measure from the same top of the camo spot to the top of the head. Taking a few mm off to accomodate the added height of the helmet, I make it 56mm on screen.

46mm + 56mm = 102mm, ie. the height this figure would have on my screen if it were standing up straight.


The Ruler

Next, I measure the ruler - from the bottom to the 3cm mark, on screen it is 101mm. This gives me a figure of scale: 30mm in the flesh is 101mm on my screen.


Correcting for Perspoective

Now, because the miniature is ever-so-slightly forward of the ruler, I'll allow for perspective and call the mini 100mm on-screen.


The Compensated Size of the Mini in the Real

If 30mm real = 101mm screen, then 100mm screen = 29.703mm real.

Note that I have already compensated for the height added by the soles of the boots, the thickness of the helmet, and the difference is distance to the camera, as I described while taking measurements.

There you have it. This USMC mini measures 29.7mm from the sole of the foot to the top of the head, if we discount equipment and accomodate for the stance.


Some Math on Scales

Now, as for scale, I looked around on Wikipedia and found that the average male height for an American in the age 20-47 is 176.2 cm, ie. 1762 mm.

Assuming our marine is an average height male between 20-47, the scale is (1762 / 29.7 = 59.326) about 1/59.


If he is 1/65 scale, though (ie. in scale with the vehicles) he would stand (29.7 * 65) 1930.5mm, ie. 193.1cm tall at 1/1.

For the Imperialists amongst us: 193.1 / 2.54 = 76.02 inch, so call it 6'4".


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I now feel a good deal more anal than I'd like. But there you have it.
 
tneva82 said:
They look nice for BF:Evo but SST scale needs to be kept.
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From what I can tell, they're pretty much on scale for SST - once you shave the SST figure's base down there's maybe 3mm in it, which can be attributed to the cap trooper armour.

What I'd really like to see is a BF Evo mini next to a plastic LAMI (the metal LAMI seemed a little too big next to the cap troopers so I'd assume new plastic ones would be a little smaller).
 
from what ive seen the plastic ones will be cast from the metal ones, but with cleaner moulds, the dias have already been done and produced a LAMI ive seen it prepaintd.
 
so those with minis in hand, is the base the same width as the standard slotterbase ?

and how are they attached to said base, is it tabs or just glue ?
 
Thanks for getting the pics up. The sizing is in that annoying 'too close to call' zone. Building and so forth should be ok but I think that the cars might be off and I do think the MGP tanks look off scale to the figs in most pics. It looks like all my existing stuff will work but I what I really want is some of them in my grubby little paws to compare in person!
 
Mr Evil said:
so those with minis in hand, is the base the same width as the standard slotterbase ?
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Standard is (usually) 25mm diameter, these are 22mm. I see no reason why you couldn't rebase these if you really wanted to, other than some people at tournaments complaining that they force the minimum seperation distance out by a few mm :) Thickness is about 2mm compared to about 4mm.

Mr Evil said:
and how are they attached to said base, is it tabs or just glue ?
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As much as I hate doing this... :(

*SNAP*

They appear to be glued on. One foot of my MEA guy just came off with a bit of hard wriggling (with no sign of anything breaking underneath), the other is stuck fast. Looks easy enough to superglue back on, too :)
 
well measuring with a tape measure rather than a metal ruler, a GZG fig i used in my examples they are within a hairs width the same height, so im sure my cars will be fine to be honest as im working on a scale of 1:64 for my scaling so every thing i do is slightly bigger than needs be but not noticably so.

im definatly closer than say 1/48 scale.
 
The heads are a lil' large on the hasslefree figs its true. But on the other hand all the hasslefree figs I've seen do appear to have noses and the like... If nothing else its easier to paint hte eyes on too :D
 
I'll place one comment here that I think needs to be added to Helstrom's research. Most of the soldiers are wearing kevlar helmets and this really needs to be considered when doing scaling. I'd say at least 1mm needs to be removed from the total figure height. This should give some "help" in scaling the infantry towards 28mm and closer to the vehicles maybe. Just a thought I wanted to toss into the mix... :idea: :wink: Oh, and thanks Matt for posting the pic!
 
I already compensated for both the kevlar and the boots while taking measurements. Without compensation, the figure would easily stand 31mm tall when erect.
 
Helstrom said:
I already compensated for both the kevlar and the boots while taking measurements. Without compensation, the figure would easily stand 31mm tall when erect.
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Yep, good work!
 
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