ADF unit cards (WIP and RUSHED!!!!)

[Chiwie]

i had a bit of a flat spot between parties on Australia Day.... and i got bored... very bored... bored enough to make a rush job of the ADF into Hiromoon (my humble creations are nowhere near his thou ) style unit cards.... well, follow the link and take look!!!! (note: Still WIP!!!! and very, very rushed)

http://www.thebattlestore.net/joomla/forum/viewtopic.php?t=514

 

[Mr Evil]

wow realy nice, have you playtested them much ?

 

[Chiwie]

wow realy nice, have you playtested them much ?

not at all ... like i said really rushed!

 

[Hiromoon]

Not bad my friend, not bad.

 

[Rick]

Very very nice Chiwie. Fancy collaborating on a full article for S&P on the 2012 ADF?

 

[Chiwie]

hell yes! im up for that

 

[Rick]

I think the new organisation will have 1 Bushmaster vehicle per section, 4 per platoon, but I got stuck at this point. I know that the ADF were looking for a light, high mobility vehicle to transport the manoeuvre support teams, but not what was decided on. I think the contenders were a landrover type, a 6x6 Supacat type or the Pinzgauer 6x6 weapons platform.

 

[Chiwie]

i don't know about the bushmaster allocation section wise we do already use the 6x6 Land Rover so if we have to guess, go with that.

but ive started redoing the cards i dropped the extra rifle man and gave them the new org 2 fire team structure and put the repasted ACIW rules in. seeing as a British squad of the same amount of guys is 160pts (75pts to drop team 2) i think the Aussies would be around 175pts, 5pts for the upgrade to the ACIW from a AG36.

 

[Chiwie]

sorry if this is a really bad double post but its kinda like a bump as well

i was talking to my mate in RAEME and yeah we are going to get a shite load of new transport gear, ill ask him what we are selecting next time i see him, i think he mentioned what it was something about the land rovers, upgraded mach trucks and replacements for the 'Mogs'... i can't remember the details thou (it was at a combined 18th and 21st...... i was very very err.... inebriated to say the least great times throwing people in the pool thou :twisted: )

ive also updated the cards for the ADF infantry, 4RAR Commandos and SASR and i just finished the maneuver support section card to comply with the new TOE and OBAT Rick posted up.

I edited the SASR to conform to the ETFT SAS and USMC Force Recon style spec ops stuff while the commandos will still play kinda like Fedayee ie sneaky recon Vs elite shock assault force (this way the commandos will not look like cheap carbon copies of there SASR comrades, rather they fill a different role as they do in RL )

anyway here are the new and fixed cards... (the rest are still on the

) hopefully in the next week or so ill get photoshop of one of my mates so i can fix them up and give them a hell of alot easier to read and cleaner look (anything would beat the combo of MS publisher and panit that im using now ) ill be starting to play test these as soon as i get my grubby paws on my USMC

thats all for now folks!

 

[Hiromoon]

You might want to replace the US symbol with the Australian Flag..

 

[Chiwie]

You might want to replace the US symbol with the Australian Flag..

LOL yeah i will be doing that once i get photoshop but i wanted to put forward that there a allied unit for the US (as much as it pains me to say it, we are kinda like the Gurkhas for the yanks now )

on the other hand i could make the ADF its own faction.... *races away to fix up cards*

 

[Secesh]

In 2012, the US symbol is our flag.

I think it should stay so the ADF are units that the US player can take as unit selections or field as an entire Aussie force. Like how the EFTF player can have an all-British force or bits of different nationalities. In a perfect world, a US player could take elements from USMC, US Army, USAF or ADF. Oustanding work by the way.

 

[Chiwie]

In 2012, the US symbol is our flag.

:shock:
i hope not lol (no offense to the US guys on the forums, i just like my flag )

 

[Sgt. Brassones]

In 2012, the US symbol is our flag.

:shock:
i hope not lol (no offense to the US guys on the forums, i just like my flag )

No offence taken. Very nice job Chiwie. It seems to me, however, that the elites should have a better close combat score. D6+1x2 maybe?

 

[Chiwie]

In 2012, the US symbol is our flag.

:shock:
i hope not lol (no offense to the US guys on the forums, i just like my flag )

No offence taken. Very nice job Chiwie. It seems to me, however, that the elites should have a better close combat score. D6+1x2 maybe?

they do SASR can reroll hits in close combat and 4RAR can give tanks a bloodied nose with C4 :twisted:

thanks for the comments

 

[Mr Evil]

looking good


what happened to the tanks and transports ?

 

[Chiwie]

tanks and the other stuff are still here:

http://www.thebattlestore.net/joomla/forum/viewtopic.php?t=514


i could repost them here if you like thou

 

[Gibbs]

Chiwie,
Firstly, love your work. I'd love to see the ADF released as a faction in BFE.

Sorry, it's taken this long to write about but I only just rediscovered the link.
Can I ask a few questions though about some of the cards. I'm going to anyway.

Why did you give the SASR and 4RAR M4s? Is it because that's supposedly what they have atm? I'm just wondering if it would be better to give them SCAR-Ls or something like that.

Also why only armour of 6, I thought that the armour the ADF has was at least as good as the USMC and EFTF's?

Disturbingly enough the picture you put up for our infantry already looks fairly futuristic.

Thanks.

 

[Chiwie]

Chiwie,
Firstly, love your work. I'd love to see the ADF released as a faction in BFE.

Thanks!

Why did you give the SASR and 4RAR M4s? Is it because that's supposedly what they have atm? I'm just wondering if it would be better to give them SCAR-Ls or something like that.

Its what they use at the moment, from memory i made a stuff up with the sniper rifle's range... but ill get around to fixing that when i get time

Also why only armour of 6, I thought that the armour the ADF has was at least as good as the USMC and EFTF's?

ah, this was a game and a little bit of a historical choice..... as you said we should have armour on par with the USMC\EFTF at the time Evo is set it... however I've accounted for 3 things

1: Aussie troops historical tenancy to ditch unwanted stuff (lighting the load.... 5" move, but trade off for less protection 6+ save), a good example is our ditching helmets in 'nam.

2: Without the lighter armour and the faster movement, they would be a close carbon copy to British troops... (other than the squad GLs)

3: In the evo newspaper thing, it mentioned East Timor as a flash point... i can see ADF troops deploying to fight there rather than Kerakhistan, so moving quickly in the thick jungle would be a bonus

Disturbingly enough the picture you put up for our infantry already looks fairly futuristic.

yeah, i was browsing the ADF image gallery and saw that, it kicked this whole thing off.....

Thanks.

not a problem!

I posted this on the evo command forms a few days back....

im slowly getting the rest of the cards up to that standard, im going to give them a good solid play test on Saturday!

 

[Gibbs]

Good point about the armour. One of my mates in the ADG (airfield defence guards) did tell me most of his mates and he ditch their kevlar (mainly back plates) because it adds a heck of a lot of wait. You're right about them being identical to the brits too...hadn't thought of that.

Love the Australian flag on the card, good job.

One thing, atm 4RAR seem better than the SASR because of their C4 and immunity to suppression. It might be worth noting that the SASR have the same training as 4RAR it just goes beyond what 4RAR have. Although that would lead to a major points blowout.

Also when you do get to fixing rifle stats, just for reference sake, the SVU can be fired as a reaction and can target any visible target in the fire zone if a ready action was taken before hand.

I just had a thought about distinguishing the 4RAR to the SASR. The SASR are in reality a reconnaissance and specialised strike force, a lot of them are snipers (so several sites suggest although I don't like using Wikipedia, they do make the distinction between SASR and 4RAR very clearly).

I'd almost be tempted to change the SASR to all be equipped with SR-25s except one member who has an M4 with M203 and another with a Para or FN Minimi MG (per fire team) and at a later date something to call down artillery/air strike. Then you'd truly have the ghosts of the jungle, a force that can shoot/call in an air strike and then disappear without a trace, like the SASR are supposed to. Are you thinking about updating the SR-25s to be similar to the dragunovs? Could you imagine taking two shoot actions with all your weapons and then not being able to shoot back because you are out of the 20" range for drawing LOS. Ouch!

Meanwhile the commandos can be your fighting machines that they're meant to be too (a la recon marines but better) :wink:

At least that way you won't actually have two units that are exactly the same as the other specials forces nor will they be the same as each other.

Just a thought.