A Couple of Suggestions for the Proposed SST:Evo Cards

[Ragnarok]

After reading the article and looking at the cards, a couple of suggestions came to mind.

First: when the first text use of the unit is mentioned, introduce an abbreviation and then use it from that point. For instance, on the Warrior Bug card, under Swarm, Any warrior bug ("WB") ... action. This WB may act as unit leader to any WBs, including.... This could save some space on the card.

Second: redundancy can be eliminated. For example: on the Grizzly card, under Firestorm Missle System: "... they will reduce Armour rolls by -4." It should be either "...they will reduce Armour rolls by 4." or "... they will alter Armour rolls by -4." This may seem picky, but good grammar carries its own weight.

 

[Galatea]

I still say add either Traits to the weapon stats or wirte the stats above the text.
The actual model doesn't make any sense. You have to read the stats at the top of the cards and then search it's traits in the text above - an when you have found them you already forgot the stats.

Put both in one place, not scattered across the whole card.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

But if you had traits on the cards, you'd still hypothetically have to look them up somewhere. I've been paying BF:Evo for a few weeks constantly and have had no problem referring to the cards. Similarly i've been playing Warmachine for years where the weapons stats are on one side of the card and their special effects are on the other and have had no problem there.

 

[Mage]

The card systems are handy. Everygame company uses them now (well the good ones) nowadays. AT 43, Warmachine, Hordes, The Evolution games...

 

[cOwgummi]

Well and I always disliked games that used cards...

and personally, I think remembering what things as "piercing 2" for example do, isn't that hard.

 

[Mage]

They are usfeul and beat paying for an army book. I hate card games like magic for my own personal reasons, not having a go at wizards, but in confined gaming clubs, they would be handy where space is limited and terrain fragile. Also, it beats buying an overpriced army book that could tear or fall apart after heavy use.

 

[cOwgummi]

well but the stats for every unit and weapon for the MI, for example, goes on 3-4 DinA4 sheets of paper...

 

[Hiromoon]

But if you had traits on the cards, you'd still hypothetically have to look them up somewhere. I've been paying BF:Evo for a few weeks constantly and have had no problem referring to the cards. Similarly i've been playing Warmachine for years where the weapons stats are on one side of the card and their special effects are on the other and have had no problem there.

Here's the short and long of it Lorcan, traits are handy little summaries that, if you've taken time to read a book, act as quick refrences to the game system.

So if you have a weapon that does Flame, Killshot, Multihit, and you're smarter than Moss, you're going to know that the weapon negates cover save, it's hits act like kills, and each hit does 2 damage (4 for kills).

Unfortunately now you get : <paragraph a> <paragraph b> <booklet c> on the back of a card...

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

but you still have to read or memorise the same amount of data regardless of where it's printed.

 

[Mage]

Guys, they ae just cards. You will have to learn the rules and memorise all the stats, cards are just convenient. That, and if there are kidsplaying it will make it easier. I'm sure grown men have no need to argue over cards.

 

[Hiromoon]

Yeah, but I'd rather have it at book print size than 'pass me a magnifying glass, jimmy' size, Lorcan. Plus, it's a book which isn't as easilly lost as, say, a card. And I can get replacement books without having to buy another unit....

 

[Mage]

You bring up a valid point, and ture, there is nothign stopping the cards from going missing and leaving you up a particular creek without a paddle. Nevertheless, I think army books, rule books, and cards references need all be present.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

The cards are pretty darn big though - much bigger than the standard playing card size used for Magic or Warmachine cards, and they're plenty legible. And losing them's not too big a deal given you can download them in S&P, and you'll have spare cards to hand for most units given you only need one card to have the stats handy.

 

[Hiromoon]

True, but crap can happen. You saw those cards.. I wouldn't wish those things on my worst enemy (Elvis in Combat)!

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Ironically, I recently lost one of my Warmachine stat cards. i had two more at home, but I lost my only colour copy

 

[Hiromoon]

See? And do those cards care about your feelings? No!
:shock:

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

It all works out in the end though, cos I won a WM tournament the other week and I'm getting snazzy foil cards of the winning army (and made sure to have the unti for who's card I lost in there)

 

[Hiromoon]

Which you'll promptly loose... probably due to some horrible incident with a toilet and a loud wooshing sound.

 

[tneva82]

but you still have to read or memorise the same amount of data regardless of where it's printed.

But now the same rule is printed in longer version in multiple times with changes between different versions of same rule(different armour save modifier etc) harder to track since they are middle of lengthy rule paragraph(or two) rather than word or two in old traits.

 

[Mage]

There seems to be a lot of pent up emotion there hiro.

I gonna take a wild guess you used to play Magic and dropped your deck into a public toilet. That day changed you...