Cumulative Loss of Actions

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Cumulative Loss of Actions

Postby GhostWolf69 » Wed May 30, 2007 5:44 pm

So... Loss of Actions from Suppression AND Loss of Action from Being out of Command/Killed Unit Leader.

Do they stack?

According to the rules you can never lose more than TWO Actions from Suppression... but what if you lost your Unit Leader in the same go?

Do you lose 4 Actions?

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Postby The Old Soldier » Wed May 30, 2007 5:59 pm

Can't find the thread, but one turns worth of actions is all you can loose. Makes it simple to keep track of.

In other words they don't stack. Max you can lose is two actions.
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Wed May 30, 2007 6:04 pm

Simple enough.
Only whish rules like that were included in the text. :cry:

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Postby retaf33c » Wed May 30, 2007 6:29 pm

It is, see page 19 of the Main Rule Book under suppression. It's stated in the last sentence in the section.
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Wed May 30, 2007 6:40 pm

retaf33c wrote:It is, see page 19 of the Main Rule Book under suppression. It's stated in the last sentence in the section.
I don't have the rule book... I only have the rules... and there it says you cannot lose more than two actions FROM SUPPRESSION.

It doesn't say anything about losing Cumulative loss of Actions from other sources than Suppression.

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Postby The Old Soldier » Wed May 30, 2007 6:43 pm

retaf33c wrote:It is, see page 19 of the Main Rule Book under suppression. It's stated in the last sentence in the section.
Good Eye retaf33c! page 19, second column, second paragraph, under the heading Suppression.Here is the quote:
Models out of command range (see page 7) may be ignored for he puropes of alloctaing Damage Dice to work out Suppression - in effect, you need only worry about allocating Damage Dice to models that are still in command in order to Suppress them. However, you may choose to Suppress out -of-command models if you wish, though a model may only ever lose a maximum of tow actions, even if both Suppressed and out of command.
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Postby Paladin » Wed May 30, 2007 6:52 pm

excellent.
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Postby cordas » Wed May 30, 2007 6:53 pm

That answers that quite nicely.
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Wed May 30, 2007 6:55 pm

Very good.

Too bad you can't really play the game with Basic Rules only... *mumbles* yeah I'm old and bitter I know... don't mind me *curses* :P

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Postby Paladin » Wed May 30, 2007 10:07 pm

Sure you can. just a few minor tweaks.

p.s. The basic rules are free.... kind of hard to give you a refund if you don't like them. It's enough to get you hooked and looking for more which is their purpose.
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Postby bigtmac68 » Thu May 31, 2007 3:47 am

as free basic rule sets go they did a heck of a job, wanna see some pure crap basic rules,,, take a look at that mess in the AT-43 box set. Game is almost unplayable and does not even slightly resemble the actual game from the advanced rules.
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Thu May 31, 2007 8:42 am

I think there is a conspiracy at work here...

I think game manufacturers deliberately produce rule with lots of holes in them to "feed" the Community of players with things to talk about on their forums. This creates activity, and activity spawns new fans, and new questions and discussions.

Honeslty folks. In my opinion the best rules ever written for Miniature Wargames usually were for games that died within a couple of months. Why? Because every one was bussy playing and having fun, and close to no one was bitching at the forum.

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Postby Pietia » Thu May 31, 2007 9:12 am

This could explain the immense popularity of WFB and 40K :D .
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Thu May 31, 2007 9:36 am

Pietia wrote:This could explain the immense popularity of WFB and 40K :D .
EXACTLY!

It would also explain why Rackham now follows suit and delivers a crap game next to the brilliant Confrontation... according to rumor there is a new crap-version of Confrontation also in the pipe cause AT-43 sold alot lot better than expected... I'd say this is due to it being full of holes and a lot worse than their preivous game... what do you think?

Honestly... there has to be a Economy Nobel Prize in this...

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Postby Pietia » Thu May 31, 2007 10:36 am

Yes, there is a crap-version of Confrontation in the works. Somebody had a brillant idea to combine two very good rule sets - Ragnarok and Confrontation into one, which obviously will not be a good ruleset at all. (combining a skirmish and regimental combat rulesets into one simply cannot give good results)
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Postby cordas » Thu May 31, 2007 11:19 am

Pietia wrote:Yes, there is a crap-version of Confrontation in the works. Somebody had a brillant idea to combine two very good rule sets - Ragnarok and Confrontation into one, which obviously will not be a good ruleset at all. (combining a skirmish and regimental combat rulesets into one simply cannot give good results)
It does sound like a recipe for disaster, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt... afterall they have in your very own words already given us two very good rule sets. Maybe they will come up with an intresting system that mages to do what its meant too...
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Postby GhostWolf69 » Thu May 31, 2007 11:30 am

cordas wrote:It does sound like a recipe for disaster, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt... afterall they have in your very own words already given us two very good rule sets. Maybe they will come up with an intresting system that mages to do what its meant too...
No we shouldn't! It's a trap! Once they get you to buy a game only half as good as the rest they made you'll be hooked for life in never ending discussions on their forum and cursing rules you cannot make heads nor tails of and... Spending more and more money to buy new stuff cause you think it might help... and ... wait... :oops:

oh bollocks... :?

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Postby Pietia » Thu May 31, 2007 11:39 am

cordas wrote: It does sound like a recipe for disaster, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt... afterall they have in your very own words already given us two very good rule sets. Maybe they will come up with an intresting system that mages to do what its meant too...
I hope you're right... Unfortunately my experience with game designers made me a realist*...

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Postby cordas » Thu May 31, 2007 12:31 pm

GhostWolf69 wrote:
cordas wrote:It does sound like a recipe for disaster, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt... afterall they have in your very own words already given us two very good rule sets. Maybe they will come up with an intresting system that mages to do what its meant too...
No we shouldn't! It's a trap! Once they get you to buy a game only half as good as the rest they made you'll be hooked for life in never ending discussions on their forum and cursing rules you cannot make heads nor tails of and... Spending more and more money to buy new stuff cause you think it might help... and ... wait... :oops:

oh bollocks... :?

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Postby GhostWolf69 » Thu May 31, 2007 9:32 pm

cordas wrote: I have some nice pills that will help...... They are really tasty and will take away you para.. er.. worries :wink: :lol: 8)
Are they legal? :wink: ... my medication is way overdue...

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